Egg Drop Soup?
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sposluk
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Thu Jul 10, 2008 2: 40 pm Post subject: Egg Drop Soup?
I have such a craving... is it okay during induction?
karenjs
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Thu Jul 10, 2008 3: 37 pm Post subject:
It might be ok, depending on the recipe. If it includes only the items listed as acceptable foods during Induction, then yes, it ' s ok.
http: / / www. atkins. com / articles / atkins - phases / phase - one / acceptable - foods
No soy sauce, though.
Here ' s a simple recipe:
2 cups Chicken broth
1 slightly beaten egg
1 T. chopped red or white onion
1 T. chopped green onion tops
1 T sesame oil
Salt and pepper to taste
Ginger to taste
Cook the onion in the oil until slightly soft. Add the chicken broth and bring to a boil. Add the spices. Simmer for 5 minutes to blend flavors. Reduce heat and slowly stir in the egg.
Count the 1 / 8 cup of onions towards your 1 cup of " Other Vegetables " for the day.
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whole food concentrates
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Tue May 13, 2008 2: 20 am Post subject: whole food concentrates
a friend gave me some multi - vitamins that constitute whole food concentrates. anyone know if these are ok during induction?
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From what I ' ve read, whole food concentrates are a more natural source of the vitamins and minerals in the supplement than is usually found in the kind of vitamins you typically get at your local food stores. Because of that, they do have slightly higher carb count, but it ' s less than one carb per dose. Dr. Atkins was in favor of the most natural food sources possible, so I think they ' re fine for Induction.
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Tue May 13, 2008 2: 20 am Post subject: whole food concentrates
a friend gave me some multi - vitamins that constitute whole food concentrates. anyone know if these are ok during induction?
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Put together May 14, 2008 5: 07 am Post subject:
From what I ' ve read, whole food concentrates are a more natural source of the vitamins and minerals in the supplement than is usually found in the kind of vitamins you typically get at your local food stores. Because of that, they do have slightly higher carb count, but it ' s less than one carb per dose. Dr. Atkins was in favor of the most natural food sources possible, so I think they ' re fine for Induction.
Exercise?
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carriel
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Sat May 10, 2008 8: 32 am Post subject: Exercise?
Reading through some of the threads & there seems to be a common theme, that you really must exercise.
I have a bit of a problem here, during my pregnancy & birth I had a problem with my pelvis & back & couldnat walk for four months. I have made brilliant progress in these last two months & now walk 2 - 3 miles every day, sometimes more.
But for now, other than a few core strengthening exercises, I ' m not allowed to do anything else.
Do you think this is ok? I physique on my distance each week & do walk at a brisk tread.
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Sat May 10, 2008 10: 01 am Post subject:
ambulatory is positively perfect. you just need to make sure that your heartrate is constantly elevated for at least 20 - 30 minutes. if you go longer, you will burn pure fat. Here ' s how...
This is a quick guide used by trainers / athletes... Take 220 - your age. This is roughly your maximum heart rate. Now, for high - intensity exercising, your heart - rate should be at 85 % of this number for at least 20 minutes. For moderate exercising, keep your heart - rate around 70 - 80 % of this number. For optimal fat - burning, keep your heart CONSISTENTLY beating at about 70 % of your maximum heart rate for at least 40 minutes. If you can, go for 60 minutes. Every minute past the 30 minute mark, when your heart is pumping at 70 % of maximum, is 100 % pure fat burn.
So, if I wanted to exercise at optimal fat burn rate, I would do:
220 - 31 ( my age ) = 189 ( max heart rate ). 70 % of 189 = 132 beats per minute.
Burn, baby, burn. [ / icon_cool. gif]
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Wed May 14, 2008 5: 31 am Post subject:
Walking is great exercise. It ' s great that you ' ve recovered so well that you ' re able to walk consistently.
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Sat May 10, 2008 8: 32 am Post subject: Exercise?
Reading through some of the threads & there seems to be a common theme, that you really must exercise.
I have a bit of a problem here, during my pregnancy & birth I had a problem with my pelvis & back & couldnat walk for four months. I have made brilliant progress in these last two months & now walk 2 - 3 miles every day, sometimes more.
But for now, other than a few core strengthening exercises, I ' m not allowed to do anything else.
Do you think this is ok? I physique on my distance each week & do walk at a brisk tread.
wheresmycoat
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Sat May 10, 2008 10: 01 am Post subject:
ambulatory is positively perfect. you just need to make sure that your heartrate is constantly elevated for at least 20 - 30 minutes. if you go longer, you will burn pure fat. Here ' s how...
This is a quick guide used by trainers / athletes... Take 220 - your age. This is roughly your maximum heart rate. Now, for high - intensity exercising, your heart - rate should be at 85 % of this number for at least 20 minutes. For moderate exercising, keep your heart - rate around 70 - 80 % of this number. For optimal fat - burning, keep your heart CONSISTENTLY beating at about 70 % of your maximum heart rate for at least 40 minutes. If you can, go for 60 minutes. Every minute past the 30 minute mark, when your heart is pumping at 70 % of maximum, is 100 % pure fat burn.
So, if I wanted to exercise at optimal fat burn rate, I would do:
220 - 31 ( my age ) = 189 ( max heart rate ). 70 % of 189 = 132 beats per minute.
Burn, baby, burn. [ / icon_cool. gif]
karenjs
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Wed May 14, 2008 5: 31 am Post subject:
Walking is great exercise. It ' s great that you ' ve recovered so well that you ' re able to walk consistently.
alchohol
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Sun May 11, 2008 8: 56 pm Post subject: alchohol
i recieved an atkins carb counter and too my puzzlement vodka has no carbs also neither does diet coke. i have been drinking just water for nearly 2 weeks now but i did have 2 vodkas and diet coke last night, surely this is ok if no carbs in each is it ok to have the occasional drink? if its vodka
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Sun May 11, 2008 9: 01 pm Post subject:
Well, I have to say I wouldn ' t disagree with you... nothing wrong with a sneaky voddy... But I think the people who actually tell you it ' s a no no and not to listen to me with my ' leading astray ' tactics!
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Mon May 12, 2008 6: 50 am Post subject:
although minimal carbs, alcohol DOES impact your liver and overall metabolism and may slow down weight loss.
Drink infrequently or run the risk of stalled weight loss. [ / icon_eek. gif]
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Sun May 11, 2008 8: 56 pm Post subject: alchohol
i recieved an atkins carb counter and too my puzzlement vodka has no carbs also neither does diet coke. i have been drinking just water for nearly 2 weeks now but i did have 2 vodkas and diet coke last night, surely this is ok if no carbs in each is it ok to have the occasional drink? if its vodka
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Sun May 11, 2008 9: 01 pm Post subject:
Well, I have to say I wouldn ' t disagree with you... nothing wrong with a sneaky voddy... But I think the people who actually tell you it ' s a no no and not to listen to me with my ' leading astray ' tactics!
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Mon May 12, 2008 6: 50 am Post subject:
although minimal carbs, alcohol DOES impact your liver and overall metabolism and may slow down weight loss.
Drink infrequently or run the risk of stalled weight loss. [ / icon_eek. gif]
anti - biotics and ketosis
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Sun May 11, 2008 10: 03 pm Post subject: anti - biotics and ketosis
Hi,
I am in ketosis and have just been put on antibiotics, I am wondering will they affect ketosis, I have been using the keto - sticks and noticed that the strip barely changed colour today even though I was well within my carb limit. Does it stop weight loss when you are on them? Any advice would be great, I don ' t know anybody else doing atkins and even though I have been reading about it there are still some things I am unsure about. Thanks
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Mon May 12, 2008 6: 47 am Post subject:
Hmm... I have been on antibiotics whilst in ketosis and I was fine. Be absolutely sure that the pills you are taken are not coated in sucralose or some other sugar additive, because some do!
Also, as another blogger on here once said... being in ketosis is like being preggers.... [ / icon_eek. gif] either you are or you aren ' t! so, even a lighter shade still means that you ARE!.
Fear not, you can still lose weight just make sure your diet is on point and that you EXERCISE - - although depending on why exactly you are taking antibiotics may preclude how much exercise...
good luck! [ / icon_cool. gif]
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Sun May 11, 2008 10: 03 pm Post subject: anti - biotics and ketosis
Hi,
I am in ketosis and have just been put on antibiotics, I am wondering will they affect ketosis, I have been using the keto - sticks and noticed that the strip barely changed colour today even though I was well within my carb limit. Does it stop weight loss when you are on them? Any advice would be great, I don ' t know anybody else doing atkins and even though I have been reading about it there are still some things I am unsure about. Thanks
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Mon May 12, 2008 6: 47 am Post subject:
Hmm... I have been on antibiotics whilst in ketosis and I was fine. Be absolutely sure that the pills you are taken are not coated in sucralose or some other sugar additive, because some do!
Also, as another blogger on here once said... being in ketosis is like being preggers.... [ / icon_eek. gif] either you are or you aren ' t! so, even a lighter shade still means that you ARE!.
Fear not, you can still lose weight just make sure your diet is on point and that you EXERCISE - - although depending on why exactly you are taking antibiotics may preclude how much exercise...
good luck! [ / icon_cool. gif]
I ' m back, question about shakes.
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Mon May 12, 2008 1: 48 pm Post subject: I ' m back, question about shakes.
Fell off the food wagon and put back on the 14 pounds I ' d lost plus an extra five pounds. [ / icon_eek. gif] The problem was breakfast, having breakfast quiche, cheese, salad was kind of tough. I ' m on induction now and am managing, but when I move off it I ' d like to try having flavoured protein shakes for breakfast. Is this ok? I can ' t find anything in the book about non - Atkins brand shakes. Is there anything I should be careful of? Thanks in advance [ / icon_biggrin. gif]
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Mon May 12, 2008 2: 04 pm Post subject:
welcome back!
protein shakes - - after induction - should be OK but keep an eye on the carb count and list of ingredients. If you see anything with sugar or a sugar derivative, which is anything ending in an " ose " like dextrose or corn syrup, stay well away.
Why not make your own protein shake to be on the safe side and avoid any unecessary crap? you could add different flavours, too, like cinnamon, lemon juice, berries, etc. and even kick it up a notch with extracts like ginkgo biloba, ginseng or echinacea for an added boost.
Note: shakes may stall weight loss a bit. but its trial and error.
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Wed May 14, 2008 3: 18 pm Post subject:
How would you make your own protein shake? What would you put in?
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Mon May 12, 2008 1: 48 pm Post subject: I ' m back, question about shakes.
Fell off the food wagon and put back on the 14 pounds I ' d lost plus an extra five pounds. [ / icon_eek. gif] The problem was breakfast, having breakfast quiche, cheese, salad was kind of tough. I ' m on induction now and am managing, but when I move off it I ' d like to try having flavoured protein shakes for breakfast. Is this ok? I can ' t find anything in the book about non - Atkins brand shakes. Is there anything I should be careful of? Thanks in advance [ / icon_biggrin. gif]
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Mon May 12, 2008 2: 04 pm Post subject:
welcome back!
protein shakes - - after induction - should be OK but keep an eye on the carb count and list of ingredients. If you see anything with sugar or a sugar derivative, which is anything ending in an " ose " like dextrose or corn syrup, stay well away.
Why not make your own protein shake to be on the safe side and avoid any unecessary crap? you could add different flavours, too, like cinnamon, lemon juice, berries, etc. and even kick it up a notch with extracts like ginkgo biloba, ginseng or echinacea for an added boost.
Note: shakes may stall weight loss a bit. but its trial and error.
[ / icon_cool. gif]
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Wed May 14, 2008 3: 18 pm Post subject:
How would you make your own protein shake? What would you put in?
fruit: so here ' s my issue
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Mon Jul 07, 2008 6: 55 pm Post subject: fruit: so here ' s my issue
I ' ve taken a few days off of my Atkins tableau because I have to reflection some things ( I ' ve been off since the 5th, and have only gained back. 6 pounds in the last 2 days ).
My main issue with this eating style is your main organ of carbs is supposed to come from vegetables.
I eat carrots ( with dip ), salad ( drenched with ranch ), corn, potatoes. All no - nos.
So I ' m left eating chicken, steak, cheeseburgers, hot dogs; pickles; black olives; eggs ( scrambled or as an omelette ).
By the end of day 5 of strong willpower, I was bored out of my mind.
Would adding " intelligible " fruits, like grapes and bananas ruin induction? Or should I stick to my chicken, steak, cheeseb......... diet?
What is your opinion?
KypDurron
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Mon Jul 07, 2008 7: 05 pm Post subject:
What wouldn ' t puncture you? That ' s what I would look at. Before dropping the diet or putting fruits in with sugars, I ' d do some " alternative " cheating like putting some cheeses in etc etc.
When you naturally have to change the diet or quit, go for the change that does the least negative impact.
I picked up some of those DaVinci syrups and they were pretty cool. I made some chocolate milk out of heavy cream and the chocolate syrup... it was a bit thick but meh... kinda like a milk shake. Think I will chill some and see if it ' s like ice cream tonight.
If you like fish, try to find some Jaunty Chachere Creole Seasoning and get a salmon or halibut fillet, then bake it with some of that and some peppers. That makes a pretty kick butt dinner, with a bit of hot bacon salad.
There are a lot of vinaigrette dressings that have 0 carbs, maybe that will help. One of the things I think people need to break themselves out of is the " need " to have variety in every meal.
I dunno.... why? Once upon a time you ate the tube from the dirt and the buffalo steak, or else you went hungry period. For a great many years people had like 4 choices per month to eat.... and it worked. The very reality that we have so many choices to eat that are good in this country and in the world is the reason why you can walk around wisconsin and see obesity. Go down to the gas station on Regent St. and W. Washington, the Kelley ' s Market in madison and watch how many peeps can ' t get out of their car. Then watch how many of them are carrying something " different " to eat when they get back in.
I understand the need for some variety but if you read over the menu section of this forum you ' ll get blown away. I did atkins for years the first time and I didn ' t have this menu, this time I ' m practically ITCHING to get into some of those recipes and start makin some stuff.
There ' s a really good bacon cheeseburger quiche in there that will be pretty good... I think
Climactically, lets spot what you want back in to give you some variety, and then look at the feasibility of putting it in, or alternatives to it that will make you happy.
Whatcha missin?
( side note ) After I went on induction for a long time, I started putting well-balanced sugar free jello with some strawberry slices in it, and my own whipped cream or even the reddi whip, and it never seemed to hurt me )
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Mon Jul 07, 2008 7: 17 pm Post subject:
Is your problem that you don ' t like most vegetables, or you just don ' t have enough variety? If it ' s the first I have the same issue, I ' d probably die in the wild if I didn ' t have meat.
The best way I ' ve found is to entail as much of your meal WITH the vegetables as you can. I could never eat a salad by itself with a little ranch, or plain broccoli, so I put enough protein on it where I can have a small piece of chicken / hamburger / etc with every bite. The combination of flavor will also make it less boring.
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KypDurron
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Mon Jul 07, 2008 7: 18 pm Post subject:
Don ' t quit on me.... you got this.
Try to get out of the mindset of being bored by food. By doing that, you ' re placing a priority on food itself, which is one of the primary reasons for us being shall we say... less than thin.
Finding things other than food that can extract your boredom is one of the keys.
Heck, Nintendo GameCubes are tawdry these days, like 25 salary and they ' re pretty fun. Anything that can take your mind off food for a bit can be good.
Failing that, find new ways to spice the food, find a few good recipes in the menu section.
What I tried to do in the beginning and now this second time through is pick 4 or 5 recipes I like, do em till I am good at them, and then want new ones, then pick another 2 or 3 good ones again. Eventually you will have 20 or so recipes that you like and that should keep you trucking on.
The " skinny " of it ( HAHAHAHA ) is that variety in food is a brief fix. the whole " ahhh that was nice " aspect will decline out.... then the awww CRAP part kicks in.. and that ' s not fun.
I had the " ahhhhh " aspect back in september..... then I had the aww crap around april.
The aww crap was about 70 lbs of aww crap, and it blew chunks.
I ' m thinking of trying to make an egg creme soda with the chocolate davinci syrup. I risk it will be pretty cool. I have some cheats that are pretty minimal impact, like the sugar free jello with some strawberries, etc. etc.
I got your back on this one if you want to stick it out.
In any case, I ' m cutting out of work early and sign to the gym, I ' ll post back round 8pm I guess.
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Mon Jul 07, 2008 8: 12 pm Post subject:
I forgot to add that I eat cheese too ( again, more than 3 - 4 oz a day, but my selection is low and cheese is what I ' ve got )
My typical menu ( when home ) is:
breakfast ( I could do this every day ):
either scrambled eggs with cheddar and ham, or an omelette of these
occasionally 2 pc bacon or sausage
lunch:
1 or 2 cheeseburger ( s ) ( no bun, obv. )
pickle dill half
dinner:
steak or chicken
snacks throughout day vary from:
black olives
pickle ( s )
string cheese
cheese and summer sausage
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my diet when I work:
( breakfast is the same )
when I work 12 hours, lunch and dinner are regularly the same, because chicken tastes better reheated over anything else, so lunch and dinner is chicken, black olives, string cheese
when I work 8 hours, though, I can go home and make a steak or something and be happy.
Now back to what you guys have said.
- Heavy cream nauseates me, just the thought of it.
- I ' ve never cared for fish ( the stench, again, nauseates me ) and fish sticks ( although not on the " diet " ), I had a bad experience with when younger and will not eat them.
- The only dressing I ' ll eat is Ranch. I hate vegetables ( I get it from my mother, but at least I ' ll eat them ) and need to douse them with something that I like ( that being the ranch ). I kind of like olive garden ' s dressing, but only at a 3, on a scale of 1 - 10, 10 being the highest.
- Cauliflower and broccoli.... There ' s something about them that just turns me off. However, I ' ll eat them as the frozen variety loaded with cheese sause " Touch
The first time I did Atkins, I lived off of cheese, meat and eggs, but there wasn ' t much I could do, as my diet was peddle - eyed by my mother ( as I was 12 and living with her )
Now you, Kyp... You don ' t seem to be a picky eater. I don ' t try things, because I will throw up if it doesn ' t clinch with me in any way.
I ' m very much, this is what it is, this is how you ' re going to eat it. Out of my " diet ", there ' s no much room for variety, because that is what I like, that is what I will eat.
And as I said about chicken being the only thing I can eat at work, more or less, I think what made me sick of it is I ' m not a seasoned chicken person. Organ it in Sweet Baby Gleam ' s and I ' ll call it a day.
Grr, so I ' m in a wail mood. One, I ' m a writer ( so things get lengthy, and they get lengthy often ), two, I doctor to sabotage myself in any way possible ( not necessarily consciously all the time ).
I was doing really good. And I was satisfied.
The problem, I do believe, was the 4th at work we had two parties ( one for days, one for pms ) and I was at both. I didn ' t cheat that day. It was yesterday when the leftovers were still there, staring me down. And yesterday, today and tomorrow ( and connect and thurs... ) are just difficult because I ' m house / loathsome sitting and only have pure and unhealthy food around ( besides the bananas, grapes and strawberries I bought this morning ). So I will restart Friday, as that ' s my next day home.
I wish steak didn ' t cost so much... I could have steak 3 + meals a day if I could afford it.
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Mon Jul 07, 2008 8: 36 pm Post subject:
You sound like a female anecdote of me from your food preferences, daily menu, and mannerisms. I had a scoop of corn for Thanksgiving but colorful french fries were the beside I ever got every year. Atkins forced me to branch out a little bit though. Salad covered in ranch and cooked broccoli covered in cheese are now acceptable [ / icon_lol. gif]
To spice things up ( literally... ) I have bone in buffalo wings every so often. I think they are Tyson brand. Those with a bunch of bleu cheese is a wonderful thing.
Back to the fruits though, I believe you can have strawberries ( in speculation ) shortly after induction? So if you can just stick with it for a little bit more possibilities will open up.
Edited my edit...
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Mon Jul 07, 2008 8: 39 pm Post subject:
Amaranthix wrote:
You sound like a female sequel of me from your food preferences, daily menu, and mannerisms. I had a scoop of corn for Thanksgiving but contrastive french fries were the alongside I ever got every year. Atkins forced me to branch out a little bit though. Salad covered in ranch, potatoes and cooked broccoli covered in cheese are now acceptable [ / icon_lol. gif]
... not on induction they ' re not!!
Or else I ' d be all over them " )
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Mon Jul 07, 2008 8: 41 pm Post subject:
mignonmykel wrote:
Amaranthix wrote:
You sound like a female fiction of me from your food preferences, daily menu, and mannerisms. I had a scoop of corn for Thanksgiving but contradistinct french fries were the hard by I ever got every year. Atkins forced me to branch out a little bit though. Salad covered in ranch, potatoes and cooked broccoli covered in cheese are now acceptable [ / icon_lol. gif]
You ' re right, they ' re not. I can ' t edit a post worth a dang [ / icon_redface. gif]
... not on induction they ' re not!!
Or else I ' d be all over them " )
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Mon Jul 07, 2008 9: 36 pm Post subject:
Amaranthix wrote:
mignonmykel wrote:
Amaranthix wrote:
You sound like a female adventure of me from your food preferences, daily menu, and mannerisms. I had a scoop of corn for Thanksgiving but antithetic french fries were the coming I ever got every year. Atkins forced me to branch out a little bit though. Salad covered in ranch, potatoes and cooked broccoli covered in cheese are now acceptable [ / icon_lol. gif]
... not on induction they ' re not!!
Or else I ' d be all over them " )
Oh no, it ' s all good " )
However, I really wish they were induction friendly....
You ' re right, they ' re not. I can ' t edit a post worth a dang [ / icon_redface. gif]
emomoney
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Mon Jul 07, 2008 10: 58 pm Post subject:
mignonmykel,
I don ' t like to discourage anybody, but if you hate veggies, then this may not be the diet for you as most of the carbs you eat should come from veggies. There are other very successful techniques for losing weight. My wife and I are opposite. I am doing Atkins, through cutie lost all of her weight by eating low - fat, less calories and lots of exercise. As far as a variety of foods to eat at work besides chicken, try pork, smoked or Italian sausage, bratwurst. There are a variety of foods to eat with Atkins, but if you dislike them, then you may need to look or other weight loss alternatives.
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 1: 21 am Post subject:
I can tolerate the long winded prose of a writer.. when I can get lucky enough I get a few random paychecks from Asimov ' s and Analog magazines... so I know the market some.
Fish may nauseate you but it ' s really damm good... you may want to think about the mental aspect of any diet.
It seems that you are limiting yourself to some cheese meet and some veggies hiding under Hidden Valley ( yuk yuk ).
That ' s gonna be a problem no matter what diet your doing, cuz the only thing that leaves to put in for variety is junk food.
Alaskan King Crab smells a bit odd, not gross, but odd, and yet it ' s quite probably the single greatest food on the planet. I ' ve eaten a lot of things in my life and I ' ve never found anything that even comes close to it.
Halibut doesn ' t smell like most fish you have smelled, you may want to think about it.
One suggestion about the fish? If you get it fresh at a market and season it properly, it doesn ' t smell like crappy ole fish from the grocery store. When I cook my halibut it never really ends up smelling like fish at all, thats the way a lot of white fish end up.
I ' m not trying to force you to eat fish I ' m just saying it ' s a really really good branch for good foods on atkins, it ' s fatty with good fats, tasty as all heck, and it cooks FAST.
A 1 lb fillet of fish can probably cook in 18 minutes, once the oven is pre heated.
As for veggies, I think its Green Thumb or someone that has these 4 packs of frozen broccoli with cheese in them, nuke em for 60 seconds and they come out all gooey and salty and yummy with what I think is velveeta.... 60 calories and 3 carbs, and they are pretty good. I keep a few in the freezer at work for emergencies.
To be honest, I don ' t think this diet is " not for you ".... I think you outta just do what I did the first time and say aww the hell with it... and eat meat and cheeses and say screw it....
Veggie carbs... bahhh.... I didn ' t have veggie carbs for the first 3 months the first time and I didn ' t die.... I ate string cheese and beef jerky in the day and chicken at night.
However, if you flat out eliminate entire branches of food, and yet convince yourself that you can ' t tolerate eating the only things you have given yourself the option to have left without being bored, you ' re convincing yourself of failure. Your boxing yourself into a situation where your only option is to cheat.
mignonmykel
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 1: 54 am Post subject:
emomoney wrote:
mignonmykel,
I don ' t like to discourage anybody, but if you hate veggies, then this may not be the diet for you as most of the carbs you eat should come from veggies. There are other very successful techniques for losing weight. My wife and I are opposite. I am doing Atkins, whereas she lost all of her weight by eating low - fat, less calories and lots of exercise. As far as a variety of foods to eat at work besides chicken, try pork, smoked or Italian sausage, bratwurst. There are a variety of foods to eat with Atkins, but if you dislike them, then you may need to look or other weight loss alternatives.
However, as stated before ( more than once in different threads ), this is the only thing that I ' ve done and been successful at ( I ' ve done low fat, cut calories, Weight Watchers... won ' t do Zone or S. Beach because of fish ).
If I could do it when I was 12, I damn well can do it when I ' m 21 " ) I did just fine on meat, cheese and eggs then... ( and it was more than 4 oz of cheese a day, because I ate at least 5 - 6 pcs of string cheese a day, they ' re all an oz each )
Thank you for your insight though.
mignonmykel
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 1: 57 am Post subject:
And thank you kyp, but I refuse to touch fish.
It is disgusting.
" )
Oh, the things I ' ve learned from my mother...
Marinewifeandmom
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 3: 40 am Post subject:
When we were younger my mom always tried to get us to eat fish. I hated it with a passion. I, too, had some horrible mishaps come from fish many years ago that kept me far, far away from it. Then about a month or two ago my friend mentioned something about salmon. I didn ' t think I had ever had it and thought maybe I would try it. My sister - in - law had made some and saved a few bites for me.. sooo... i tried it. Wow! it was amazing! how taste buds change over time! I then progressed to trying tilapia, which I had also never had before - it was amazing! Let me tell you, I hated fish with a passion and I was so grossed out by the smell but now I don ' t mind it at all and I also really like tuna, which used to disgust me as well because they have all these cool, yummy flavors like tomato pesto and herb and garlic tuna in the packets. I mixed the tuna w / mayo, caesar dressing, black peper, and parmesan cheese and dished it into a leaf of romaine lettuce and made a tuna wrap. it was REALLY good!
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 3: 44 am Post subject:
oh yeah.. do you like crab, shrimp, lobster? mmm red lobsters makes these mushrooms stuffed with crab and lobster.. i have those " fish " here and there and i like to get a lb of shrimp here and there to cook with or i just toss ' em in those new steam bags and when they are done i add butter and shake the bag til they are coated. my friend, who is also on atkins, made some shrimp marinated in butter, garlic and some herb and garlic spices - we put them all in a contained and shook it real good and let it sit - we then put them on the grill and oh my goodness we were in heaven. i, too, LOVE steak! i could eat it 3x a day as well. what kind of steak do you get? could you get sirloin per chance? i know that is on the cheaper end - that is what i get to have my cheap " steak " fix. We had also made a steak to go w / that lobster - de - lish!
KypDurron
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 3: 54 am Post subject:
WHen I was a kid, the only thing I would eat ever was plain cheeseburger and macaroni and cheese.
Literally.
In any case, it wasn ' t until the LAST atkins book that he revised that he said 4 ounces of cheese.
I just read the 1999 and 2002 book and he just says go to town on the cheese but watch the carbs.
He also doesnt say you HAVE to have 12 to 15 grams of veggie carbs... in fact he talks about cutting out ALL veggie carbs for people who cant get the weight loss started.
I think the veggie carbs thing is a bit of CYA on his part... good ole cover your arse
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 10: 19 am Post subject:
" I think the veggie carbs thing is a bit of CYA on his part... good ole cover your arse. "
LOL... you ' re probably right. Except... from what I ' ve seen ( videos of him and and his wife ) and read, he didn ' t care about that.
RE: fish... it ' s funny, there are several fish I can ' t eat because I can ' t stand them: salmon, talapia and trout are at the top of that list. I love shellfish ( except muscles ) and most salt water fish. Fish from fresh water usually tastes like mud to me, though. LOL
Kyp... when I was a kid the foods I ate most of the time were Beefaroni, tuna sandwiches and poptarts ( cinnamon sugar ). [ / icon_rolleyes. gif] And cookies. No wonder I ended up this way. [ / icon_evil. gif]
KypDurron
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 1: 29 pm Post subject:
Mignon, your a writer, so I wonder if you have ever read any Ayn Rand.
The ARI gave me my first scholarship back in 1997 for my freshman year for an objectivist paper I sent into them.
In any case, it all boils down to the lack of subjectivism in life, and as pertains to our own personal situations. Like Galt says, A is always A, no matter how hard we don ' t want it to be at times.
A change in life can never happen without changing your life. Now this is like the situation where when the one person you would not expect to disagree disagrees and it makes everyone stand up and take notice. Like when the arsonist says, hey dude... you probably shouldn ' t play with those matches. I ' m capable of consuming up to about 3, 500 to 4, 000 calories a day and maintain a 1 lb a week weight loss, but it ' s a result of the fact that I ' m a pretty large guy and have a metabolic advantage as well as a high deficit from the gym. Reading over your posts I can see that you are also consuming roughly 3, 000 to 4, 000 calories a day. Your carb intake is enough with that to keep you from GAINING weight, but it will be nigh impossible for you to lose a significant amount of weight with that kind of calorie intake... and I think a lot of it stems from the reluctance to change your diet.
The simple fact is that Atkins isn ' t the only diet that ' s going to make you eat veggies. Weight Watchers or some low fat diet is going to cram even more veggies down your throat than this diet will, so I think it may be time for some tough decisions. Without changes, change cannot come, unfortunately that ' s just the bare bones logic of the situation. You CAN lose weight on atkins, even while just eating eggs cheese and meat, but you have to get the calories down from the roughly 3, 500 that you are at now. I personally don ' t have a single problem with you deciding not to eat many veggies, I didn ' t eat them very often and I still don ' t, but I take my supplements and until I get to my target Off - Induction weight, I ' m restricting myself to a maximum of 1200 calories a day. However, a reluctance to change your eating habits is going to have a significant impact on your capability to change your weight in any significant way on any diet, albeit atkins or any other.
The calories you are eating now would be fine at the end in a maintenance type modified atkins diet, in fact the book I have talks of some people who ' s carb levels are so low that they never really made it off of induction. I don ' t think that ' s you however, I think you just haven ' t really kicked in the weight loss yet. The crux of the matter is what don ' t you like more?.... because we have not liking veggies..... not liking fish.... not liking seasonings... and not liking your weight, to list some.
No fish.... that ' s fine. No one can change that, it ' s patently obvious that decision is fixed in stone. Do I really care about the veggies either? No not really, although a bit of veggies would really help to cut into the hunger and calorie intake you currently have. For my dinner I dice my chicken and put it over a small bed of spinach. I make certain the chicken is juicy and the juice basically soaks the spinach to the point where it just tastes like the chicken anyway, so I barely notice them. You do, however, need to get the calories down, and the veggies are there for that. I would increase your cheese intake, the diet worked before this new book that says 4 oz of cheese, so I am not quite so concerned about that, and I would watch out for the hot dogs and shiz. Those are probably where you are picking up the most calories.
If you despise salad, try what I used to try when I worked at the restaurant. I took romaine lettuce leaves, wrapped them around some cheddar cheese and sliced roast beef and then melted the cheese. Makes for a 60 second lettuce wrap sandwich and a few of those a day cuts into your veggies while filling your stomach with more than just the meat and cheese.
Failing that, you can significantly increase your gym workout if you want. The simple truth of the matter is that right now the situation is not working for you, as you have stated. If the situation is not working as it is right now, than logic dictates without any possibility of refuting it that a change must occur in order for the outcome to change. Almost definitely a few less calories at least for a few weeks, a shade more veggies, or some more gym is probably what will have to be implemented to be the key to success.
Try not to limit yourself by making arbitrary decisions before even examining the reasonings behind them. That ' s like walking into a job and saying, I ' m gonna hate this job, or starting off a relationship by saying " I ' m never getting married " or " I ' m never having a kid " etc etc. Making unilateral decisions before examining the logic structure around that decision is a recipe for nothing but disaster... and disaster is always to be avoided.
I didn ' t post this to be hard, more to say that I think you got this, definitely have the motivation and drive to do it, and you recognize that this is one of the most successful diet and lifestyle systems out there, just remember to look at the process with an open decision making capability. Walking into it with preconceptions and predetermined decisions about what you won ' t do under any circumstances, and which parts of your eating and lifestyle you won ' t change no matter what results you get back is quite simply not going to accomplish your goals.
That being said, we ' re all here for whatever support the internet is capable of providing.
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 2: 38 pm Post subject:
Very nicely stated. And an appropriate message for ALL of us.
Thanks,
Tril
KypDurron
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 4: 51 pm Post subject:
I posted this in another section... I ' ll post it here as well. I buy some of these products when I won ' t have time for actual cooking... usually on thursday as it ' s my longest gym day plus the longest work day.
http: / / www. generalmills. com / corporate / brands / brand. aspx? catID=20908&groupID=19440#23354
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mignonmykel
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Mon Jul 07, 2008 6: 55 pm Post subject: fruit: so here ' s my issue
I ' ve taken a few days off of my Atkins tableau because I have to reflection some things ( I ' ve been off since the 5th, and have only gained back. 6 pounds in the last 2 days ).
My main issue with this eating style is your main organ of carbs is supposed to come from vegetables.
I eat carrots ( with dip ), salad ( drenched with ranch ), corn, potatoes. All no - nos.
So I ' m left eating chicken, steak, cheeseburgers, hot dogs; pickles; black olives; eggs ( scrambled or as an omelette ).
By the end of day 5 of strong willpower, I was bored out of my mind.
Would adding " intelligible " fruits, like grapes and bananas ruin induction? Or should I stick to my chicken, steak, cheeseb......... diet?
What is your opinion?
KypDurron
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Mon Jul 07, 2008 7: 05 pm Post subject:
What wouldn ' t puncture you? That ' s what I would look at. Before dropping the diet or putting fruits in with sugars, I ' d do some " alternative " cheating like putting some cheeses in etc etc.
When you naturally have to change the diet or quit, go for the change that does the least negative impact.
I picked up some of those DaVinci syrups and they were pretty cool. I made some chocolate milk out of heavy cream and the chocolate syrup... it was a bit thick but meh... kinda like a milk shake. Think I will chill some and see if it ' s like ice cream tonight.
If you like fish, try to find some Jaunty Chachere Creole Seasoning and get a salmon or halibut fillet, then bake it with some of that and some peppers. That makes a pretty kick butt dinner, with a bit of hot bacon salad.
There are a lot of vinaigrette dressings that have 0 carbs, maybe that will help. One of the things I think people need to break themselves out of is the " need " to have variety in every meal.
I dunno.... why? Once upon a time you ate the tube from the dirt and the buffalo steak, or else you went hungry period. For a great many years people had like 4 choices per month to eat.... and it worked. The very reality that we have so many choices to eat that are good in this country and in the world is the reason why you can walk around wisconsin and see obesity. Go down to the gas station on Regent St. and W. Washington, the Kelley ' s Market in madison and watch how many peeps can ' t get out of their car. Then watch how many of them are carrying something " different " to eat when they get back in.
I understand the need for some variety but if you read over the menu section of this forum you ' ll get blown away. I did atkins for years the first time and I didn ' t have this menu, this time I ' m practically ITCHING to get into some of those recipes and start makin some stuff.
There ' s a really good bacon cheeseburger quiche in there that will be pretty good... I think
Climactically, lets spot what you want back in to give you some variety, and then look at the feasibility of putting it in, or alternatives to it that will make you happy.
Whatcha missin?
( side note ) After I went on induction for a long time, I started putting well-balanced sugar free jello with some strawberry slices in it, and my own whipped cream or even the reddi whip, and it never seemed to hurt me )
Amaranthix
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Mon Jul 07, 2008 7: 17 pm Post subject:
Is your problem that you don ' t like most vegetables, or you just don ' t have enough variety? If it ' s the first I have the same issue, I ' d probably die in the wild if I didn ' t have meat.
The best way I ' ve found is to entail as much of your meal WITH the vegetables as you can. I could never eat a salad by itself with a little ranch, or plain broccoli, so I put enough protein on it where I can have a small piece of chicken / hamburger / etc with every bite. The combination of flavor will also make it less boring.
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KypDurron
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Mon Jul 07, 2008 7: 18 pm Post subject:
Don ' t quit on me.... you got this.
Try to get out of the mindset of being bored by food. By doing that, you ' re placing a priority on food itself, which is one of the primary reasons for us being shall we say... less than thin.
Finding things other than food that can extract your boredom is one of the keys.
Heck, Nintendo GameCubes are tawdry these days, like 25 salary and they ' re pretty fun. Anything that can take your mind off food for a bit can be good.
Failing that, find new ways to spice the food, find a few good recipes in the menu section.
What I tried to do in the beginning and now this second time through is pick 4 or 5 recipes I like, do em till I am good at them, and then want new ones, then pick another 2 or 3 good ones again. Eventually you will have 20 or so recipes that you like and that should keep you trucking on.
The " skinny " of it ( HAHAHAHA ) is that variety in food is a brief fix. the whole " ahhh that was nice " aspect will decline out.... then the awww CRAP part kicks in.. and that ' s not fun.
I had the " ahhhhh " aspect back in september..... then I had the aww crap around april.
The aww crap was about 70 lbs of aww crap, and it blew chunks.
I ' m thinking of trying to make an egg creme soda with the chocolate davinci syrup. I risk it will be pretty cool. I have some cheats that are pretty minimal impact, like the sugar free jello with some strawberries, etc. etc.
I got your back on this one if you want to stick it out.
In any case, I ' m cutting out of work early and sign to the gym, I ' ll post back round 8pm I guess.
mignonmykel
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Mon Jul 07, 2008 8: 12 pm Post subject:
I forgot to add that I eat cheese too ( again, more than 3 - 4 oz a day, but my selection is low and cheese is what I ' ve got )
My typical menu ( when home ) is:
breakfast ( I could do this every day ):
either scrambled eggs with cheddar and ham, or an omelette of these
occasionally 2 pc bacon or sausage
lunch:
1 or 2 cheeseburger ( s ) ( no bun, obv. )
pickle dill half
dinner:
steak or chicken
snacks throughout day vary from:
black olives
pickle ( s )
string cheese
cheese and summer sausage
=========================
my diet when I work:
( breakfast is the same )
when I work 12 hours, lunch and dinner are regularly the same, because chicken tastes better reheated over anything else, so lunch and dinner is chicken, black olives, string cheese
when I work 8 hours, though, I can go home and make a steak or something and be happy.
Now back to what you guys have said.
- Heavy cream nauseates me, just the thought of it.
- I ' ve never cared for fish ( the stench, again, nauseates me ) and fish sticks ( although not on the " diet " ), I had a bad experience with when younger and will not eat them.
- The only dressing I ' ll eat is Ranch. I hate vegetables ( I get it from my mother, but at least I ' ll eat them ) and need to douse them with something that I like ( that being the ranch ). I kind of like olive garden ' s dressing, but only at a 3, on a scale of 1 - 10, 10 being the highest.
- Cauliflower and broccoli.... There ' s something about them that just turns me off. However, I ' ll eat them as the frozen variety loaded with cheese sause " Touch
The first time I did Atkins, I lived off of cheese, meat and eggs, but there wasn ' t much I could do, as my diet was peddle - eyed by my mother ( as I was 12 and living with her )
Now you, Kyp... You don ' t seem to be a picky eater. I don ' t try things, because I will throw up if it doesn ' t clinch with me in any way.
I ' m very much, this is what it is, this is how you ' re going to eat it. Out of my " diet ", there ' s no much room for variety, because that is what I like, that is what I will eat.
And as I said about chicken being the only thing I can eat at work, more or less, I think what made me sick of it is I ' m not a seasoned chicken person. Organ it in Sweet Baby Gleam ' s and I ' ll call it a day.
Grr, so I ' m in a wail mood. One, I ' m a writer ( so things get lengthy, and they get lengthy often ), two, I doctor to sabotage myself in any way possible ( not necessarily consciously all the time ).
I was doing really good. And I was satisfied.
The problem, I do believe, was the 4th at work we had two parties ( one for days, one for pms ) and I was at both. I didn ' t cheat that day. It was yesterday when the leftovers were still there, staring me down. And yesterday, today and tomorrow ( and connect and thurs... ) are just difficult because I ' m house / loathsome sitting and only have pure and unhealthy food around ( besides the bananas, grapes and strawberries I bought this morning ). So I will restart Friday, as that ' s my next day home.
I wish steak didn ' t cost so much... I could have steak 3 + meals a day if I could afford it.
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Mon Jul 07, 2008 8: 36 pm Post subject:
You sound like a female anecdote of me from your food preferences, daily menu, and mannerisms. I had a scoop of corn for Thanksgiving but colorful french fries were the beside I ever got every year. Atkins forced me to branch out a little bit though. Salad covered in ranch and cooked broccoli covered in cheese are now acceptable [ / icon_lol. gif]
To spice things up ( literally... ) I have bone in buffalo wings every so often. I think they are Tyson brand. Those with a bunch of bleu cheese is a wonderful thing.
Back to the fruits though, I believe you can have strawberries ( in speculation ) shortly after induction? So if you can just stick with it for a little bit more possibilities will open up.
Edited my edit...
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mignonmykel
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Mon Jul 07, 2008 8: 39 pm Post subject:
Amaranthix wrote:
You sound like a female sequel of me from your food preferences, daily menu, and mannerisms. I had a scoop of corn for Thanksgiving but contrastive french fries were the alongside I ever got every year. Atkins forced me to branch out a little bit though. Salad covered in ranch, potatoes and cooked broccoli covered in cheese are now acceptable [ / icon_lol. gif]
... not on induction they ' re not!!
Or else I ' d be all over them " )
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Mon Jul 07, 2008 8: 41 pm Post subject:
mignonmykel wrote:
Amaranthix wrote:
You sound like a female fiction of me from your food preferences, daily menu, and mannerisms. I had a scoop of corn for Thanksgiving but contradistinct french fries were the hard by I ever got every year. Atkins forced me to branch out a little bit though. Salad covered in ranch, potatoes and cooked broccoli covered in cheese are now acceptable [ / icon_lol. gif]
You ' re right, they ' re not. I can ' t edit a post worth a dang [ / icon_redface. gif]
... not on induction they ' re not!!
Or else I ' d be all over them " )
mignonmykel
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Mon Jul 07, 2008 9: 36 pm Post subject:
Amaranthix wrote:
mignonmykel wrote:
Amaranthix wrote:
You sound like a female adventure of me from your food preferences, daily menu, and mannerisms. I had a scoop of corn for Thanksgiving but antithetic french fries were the coming I ever got every year. Atkins forced me to branch out a little bit though. Salad covered in ranch, potatoes and cooked broccoli covered in cheese are now acceptable [ / icon_lol. gif]
... not on induction they ' re not!!
Or else I ' d be all over them " )
Oh no, it ' s all good " )
However, I really wish they were induction friendly....
You ' re right, they ' re not. I can ' t edit a post worth a dang [ / icon_redface. gif]
emomoney
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Mon Jul 07, 2008 10: 58 pm Post subject:
mignonmykel,
I don ' t like to discourage anybody, but if you hate veggies, then this may not be the diet for you as most of the carbs you eat should come from veggies. There are other very successful techniques for losing weight. My wife and I are opposite. I am doing Atkins, through cutie lost all of her weight by eating low - fat, less calories and lots of exercise. As far as a variety of foods to eat at work besides chicken, try pork, smoked or Italian sausage, bratwurst. There are a variety of foods to eat with Atkins, but if you dislike them, then you may need to look or other weight loss alternatives.
KypDurron
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 1: 21 am Post subject:
I can tolerate the long winded prose of a writer.. when I can get lucky enough I get a few random paychecks from Asimov ' s and Analog magazines... so I know the market some.
Fish may nauseate you but it ' s really damm good... you may want to think about the mental aspect of any diet.
It seems that you are limiting yourself to some cheese meet and some veggies hiding under Hidden Valley ( yuk yuk ).
That ' s gonna be a problem no matter what diet your doing, cuz the only thing that leaves to put in for variety is junk food.
Alaskan King Crab smells a bit odd, not gross, but odd, and yet it ' s quite probably the single greatest food on the planet. I ' ve eaten a lot of things in my life and I ' ve never found anything that even comes close to it.
Halibut doesn ' t smell like most fish you have smelled, you may want to think about it.
One suggestion about the fish? If you get it fresh at a market and season it properly, it doesn ' t smell like crappy ole fish from the grocery store. When I cook my halibut it never really ends up smelling like fish at all, thats the way a lot of white fish end up.
I ' m not trying to force you to eat fish I ' m just saying it ' s a really really good branch for good foods on atkins, it ' s fatty with good fats, tasty as all heck, and it cooks FAST.
A 1 lb fillet of fish can probably cook in 18 minutes, once the oven is pre heated.
As for veggies, I think its Green Thumb or someone that has these 4 packs of frozen broccoli with cheese in them, nuke em for 60 seconds and they come out all gooey and salty and yummy with what I think is velveeta.... 60 calories and 3 carbs, and they are pretty good. I keep a few in the freezer at work for emergencies.
To be honest, I don ' t think this diet is " not for you ".... I think you outta just do what I did the first time and say aww the hell with it... and eat meat and cheeses and say screw it....
Veggie carbs... bahhh.... I didn ' t have veggie carbs for the first 3 months the first time and I didn ' t die.... I ate string cheese and beef jerky in the day and chicken at night.
However, if you flat out eliminate entire branches of food, and yet convince yourself that you can ' t tolerate eating the only things you have given yourself the option to have left without being bored, you ' re convincing yourself of failure. Your boxing yourself into a situation where your only option is to cheat.
mignonmykel
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 1: 54 am Post subject:
emomoney wrote:
mignonmykel,
I don ' t like to discourage anybody, but if you hate veggies, then this may not be the diet for you as most of the carbs you eat should come from veggies. There are other very successful techniques for losing weight. My wife and I are opposite. I am doing Atkins, whereas she lost all of her weight by eating low - fat, less calories and lots of exercise. As far as a variety of foods to eat at work besides chicken, try pork, smoked or Italian sausage, bratwurst. There are a variety of foods to eat with Atkins, but if you dislike them, then you may need to look or other weight loss alternatives.
However, as stated before ( more than once in different threads ), this is the only thing that I ' ve done and been successful at ( I ' ve done low fat, cut calories, Weight Watchers... won ' t do Zone or S. Beach because of fish ).
If I could do it when I was 12, I damn well can do it when I ' m 21 " ) I did just fine on meat, cheese and eggs then... ( and it was more than 4 oz of cheese a day, because I ate at least 5 - 6 pcs of string cheese a day, they ' re all an oz each )
Thank you for your insight though.
mignonmykel
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 1: 57 am Post subject:
And thank you kyp, but I refuse to touch fish.
It is disgusting.
" )
Oh, the things I ' ve learned from my mother...
Marinewifeandmom
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 3: 40 am Post subject:
When we were younger my mom always tried to get us to eat fish. I hated it with a passion. I, too, had some horrible mishaps come from fish many years ago that kept me far, far away from it. Then about a month or two ago my friend mentioned something about salmon. I didn ' t think I had ever had it and thought maybe I would try it. My sister - in - law had made some and saved a few bites for me.. sooo... i tried it. Wow! it was amazing! how taste buds change over time! I then progressed to trying tilapia, which I had also never had before - it was amazing! Let me tell you, I hated fish with a passion and I was so grossed out by the smell but now I don ' t mind it at all and I also really like tuna, which used to disgust me as well because they have all these cool, yummy flavors like tomato pesto and herb and garlic tuna in the packets. I mixed the tuna w / mayo, caesar dressing, black peper, and parmesan cheese and dished it into a leaf of romaine lettuce and made a tuna wrap. it was REALLY good!
Marinewifeandmom
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 3: 44 am Post subject:
oh yeah.. do you like crab, shrimp, lobster? mmm red lobsters makes these mushrooms stuffed with crab and lobster.. i have those " fish " here and there and i like to get a lb of shrimp here and there to cook with or i just toss ' em in those new steam bags and when they are done i add butter and shake the bag til they are coated. my friend, who is also on atkins, made some shrimp marinated in butter, garlic and some herb and garlic spices - we put them all in a contained and shook it real good and let it sit - we then put them on the grill and oh my goodness we were in heaven. i, too, LOVE steak! i could eat it 3x a day as well. what kind of steak do you get? could you get sirloin per chance? i know that is on the cheaper end - that is what i get to have my cheap " steak " fix. We had also made a steak to go w / that lobster - de - lish!
KypDurron
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 3: 54 am Post subject:
WHen I was a kid, the only thing I would eat ever was plain cheeseburger and macaroni and cheese.
Literally.
In any case, it wasn ' t until the LAST atkins book that he revised that he said 4 ounces of cheese.
I just read the 1999 and 2002 book and he just says go to town on the cheese but watch the carbs.
He also doesnt say you HAVE to have 12 to 15 grams of veggie carbs... in fact he talks about cutting out ALL veggie carbs for people who cant get the weight loss started.
I think the veggie carbs thing is a bit of CYA on his part... good ole cover your arse
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 10: 19 am Post subject:
" I think the veggie carbs thing is a bit of CYA on his part... good ole cover your arse. "
LOL... you ' re probably right. Except... from what I ' ve seen ( videos of him and and his wife ) and read, he didn ' t care about that.
RE: fish... it ' s funny, there are several fish I can ' t eat because I can ' t stand them: salmon, talapia and trout are at the top of that list. I love shellfish ( except muscles ) and most salt water fish. Fish from fresh water usually tastes like mud to me, though. LOL
Kyp... when I was a kid the foods I ate most of the time were Beefaroni, tuna sandwiches and poptarts ( cinnamon sugar ). [ / icon_rolleyes. gif] And cookies. No wonder I ended up this way. [ / icon_evil. gif]
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 1: 29 pm Post subject:
Mignon, your a writer, so I wonder if you have ever read any Ayn Rand.
The ARI gave me my first scholarship back in 1997 for my freshman year for an objectivist paper I sent into them.
In any case, it all boils down to the lack of subjectivism in life, and as pertains to our own personal situations. Like Galt says, A is always A, no matter how hard we don ' t want it to be at times.
A change in life can never happen without changing your life. Now this is like the situation where when the one person you would not expect to disagree disagrees and it makes everyone stand up and take notice. Like when the arsonist says, hey dude... you probably shouldn ' t play with those matches. I ' m capable of consuming up to about 3, 500 to 4, 000 calories a day and maintain a 1 lb a week weight loss, but it ' s a result of the fact that I ' m a pretty large guy and have a metabolic advantage as well as a high deficit from the gym. Reading over your posts I can see that you are also consuming roughly 3, 000 to 4, 000 calories a day. Your carb intake is enough with that to keep you from GAINING weight, but it will be nigh impossible for you to lose a significant amount of weight with that kind of calorie intake... and I think a lot of it stems from the reluctance to change your diet.
The simple fact is that Atkins isn ' t the only diet that ' s going to make you eat veggies. Weight Watchers or some low fat diet is going to cram even more veggies down your throat than this diet will, so I think it may be time for some tough decisions. Without changes, change cannot come, unfortunately that ' s just the bare bones logic of the situation. You CAN lose weight on atkins, even while just eating eggs cheese and meat, but you have to get the calories down from the roughly 3, 500 that you are at now. I personally don ' t have a single problem with you deciding not to eat many veggies, I didn ' t eat them very often and I still don ' t, but I take my supplements and until I get to my target Off - Induction weight, I ' m restricting myself to a maximum of 1200 calories a day. However, a reluctance to change your eating habits is going to have a significant impact on your capability to change your weight in any significant way on any diet, albeit atkins or any other.
The calories you are eating now would be fine at the end in a maintenance type modified atkins diet, in fact the book I have talks of some people who ' s carb levels are so low that they never really made it off of induction. I don ' t think that ' s you however, I think you just haven ' t really kicked in the weight loss yet. The crux of the matter is what don ' t you like more?.... because we have not liking veggies..... not liking fish.... not liking seasonings... and not liking your weight, to list some.
No fish.... that ' s fine. No one can change that, it ' s patently obvious that decision is fixed in stone. Do I really care about the veggies either? No not really, although a bit of veggies would really help to cut into the hunger and calorie intake you currently have. For my dinner I dice my chicken and put it over a small bed of spinach. I make certain the chicken is juicy and the juice basically soaks the spinach to the point where it just tastes like the chicken anyway, so I barely notice them. You do, however, need to get the calories down, and the veggies are there for that. I would increase your cheese intake, the diet worked before this new book that says 4 oz of cheese, so I am not quite so concerned about that, and I would watch out for the hot dogs and shiz. Those are probably where you are picking up the most calories.
If you despise salad, try what I used to try when I worked at the restaurant. I took romaine lettuce leaves, wrapped them around some cheddar cheese and sliced roast beef and then melted the cheese. Makes for a 60 second lettuce wrap sandwich and a few of those a day cuts into your veggies while filling your stomach with more than just the meat and cheese.
Failing that, you can significantly increase your gym workout if you want. The simple truth of the matter is that right now the situation is not working for you, as you have stated. If the situation is not working as it is right now, than logic dictates without any possibility of refuting it that a change must occur in order for the outcome to change. Almost definitely a few less calories at least for a few weeks, a shade more veggies, or some more gym is probably what will have to be implemented to be the key to success.
Try not to limit yourself by making arbitrary decisions before even examining the reasonings behind them. That ' s like walking into a job and saying, I ' m gonna hate this job, or starting off a relationship by saying " I ' m never getting married " or " I ' m never having a kid " etc etc. Making unilateral decisions before examining the logic structure around that decision is a recipe for nothing but disaster... and disaster is always to be avoided.
I didn ' t post this to be hard, more to say that I think you got this, definitely have the motivation and drive to do it, and you recognize that this is one of the most successful diet and lifestyle systems out there, just remember to look at the process with an open decision making capability. Walking into it with preconceptions and predetermined decisions about what you won ' t do under any circumstances, and which parts of your eating and lifestyle you won ' t change no matter what results you get back is quite simply not going to accomplish your goals.
That being said, we ' re all here for whatever support the internet is capable of providing.
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 2: 38 pm Post subject:
Very nicely stated. And an appropriate message for ALL of us.
Thanks,
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 4: 51 pm Post subject:
I posted this in another section... I ' ll post it here as well. I buy some of these products when I won ' t have time for actual cooking... usually on thursday as it ' s my longest gym day plus the longest work day.
http: / / www. generalmills. com / corporate / brands / brand. aspx? catID=20908&groupID=19440#23354
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Thu Jul 10, 2008 7: 40 pm Post subject:
mignon?
Ketosticks, whats your color range.....?
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KypDurron
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Fri Jul 04, 2008 3: 11 pm Post subject: Ketosticks, whats your color range.....?
I just used them for the first time ever, never really thought I needed em to check if I was in ketosis before, but I figured what the hey...
It was maxed out at the purple, anyone think that ' s excessive?
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Sat Jul 05, 2008 5: 23 am Post subject:
Essentially, the color doesn ' t matter, any color, even trace, is good, exclude the really dark purple - that would mean you are dehydrated and / or that you eat too much fat.
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Sat Jul 05, 2008 12: 14 pm Post subject:
mine are only pinkish. Never darker - but that ' s good enough for me. Oh and i lost another pound yesterday!..... whoopeee!
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Sun Jul 06, 2008 3: 15 am Post subject:
Well im drinking well over 100 ounces of water a day and im definitely not consuming too much fat....
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Sun Jul 06, 2008 3: 31 am Post subject:
i think it can really depend when you do it during the day, as in maybe at that particular time you were releasing more ketones than other times of the day - did you try the stick a couple different times during the day or even the next day and was it still as dark?
for example i did my stick last night and it was very dark purple, and like you i drink well over the amount of needed water AND i don ' t consume that much fat but then today when i did it during the day mine was a light shade of pink..
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Sun Jul 06, 2008 6: 51 pm Post subject:
Read this on ketones / strips / ketosis from the FAQ thread:
http: / / lowcarbsite. com / forum / viewtopic. php? t=1601
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Sun Jul 06, 2008 6: 52 pm Post subject:
I much do one before I leave the house and one when I get home at night, now.
I ' ll probably stop bothering for awhile, theres definitely no need for me to do it until I start making changes in the diet.
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Tack on Jul 09, 2008 7: 46 am Post subject:
I ' ve never used any of the ketosis strips. I ' m sure that if you succeed the plan that you shouldn ' t have to pest about using them.
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Grapple Jul 09, 2008 10: 37 am Post subject:
I test once a week or so, first void of the day. It ' s recurrently trace or small, never more than that. A meal high in fat ( say, protein fat like meat & cheese, cream plus added fat like a salad dressing or mayo ) can give a darker harvest right after you eat. As long as I still have signs I ' m in ketosis and the strips are confirming that, I don ' t think about it... I certainly don ' t heartache about it. lol
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 1: 44 pm Post subject:
Grrrr.... i had a moderate purple at morning and then a moderate at lunch.... i don ' t trust this torani syrup that i got because t hey were out of davinci..
I ' m goin over my food journal now.... grrr
Maybe its the protein shake....
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 2: 42 pm Post subject:
And maybe you ' re exceting more of the ketones through your lungs today... or maybe you used up more of them and had less to eject... and maybe your body is becoming more efficient... or maybe you had more to drink or your body is releasing more water so your urine is more diluted... SO... maybe there ' s nothing actually wrong... so many maybes... [ / icon_wink. gif]
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 2: 48 pm Post subject:
Maybe its time for an extra couple sets of weights and an extra half hour or hour on the crisp or stairmaster today.
If my body doesn ' t do what I tell it to do, it gets punished. It knows this, it shouldn ' t be giving me backtalk like this.
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 2: 53 pm Post subject:
You ' re presumptuous that a less than dark purple payoff on a keto - stix is somehow " bad " or wrong or a sign you ' re doing something less. It ' s not.
I just don ' t want anyone else ( you can think what you want, of course ) to believe that anything less than dark purple is somehow a less desireable level of ketosis. Darker purple does not mean you ' re losing more / faster than someone with a trace reading.
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 3: 01 pm Post subject:
Yes, I consent with Tril.
For the record, I ' m being an idiot. I ' m just meticulous in my routine and when I see a particularity in the routine that accompanies a change in the diet, I get GRRR angry and start looking for blame in the changes.
In this case I added the Torani ' s plus I put more of the protein shake in because it appeared to be extra me a lot, and now I ' m glaring at it as it sits in my bag, innocent in its powdered little form.
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 3: 09 pm Post subject:
And I can picture you searching for a formula to make it all make sense... [ / icon_wink. gif]
You know, I ' d like to see you in a yoga or meditation class with incense burnging, soft tinkling air in the background... I pledge you couldn ' t close your eyes. LOL You have a very high strung " get it done now " personality! Hazard your boss loves you.
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 3: 28 pm Post subject:
My boss is positively in love with me.... unforunately for him, although he doesn ' t know this, I re enrolled in college.
I ' m working AROUND him with the HR guy and my buddy in the department upper both of us and going down to part time.
I ' m currently a paralegal / manipulate at this firm and I ' m going back to finish school. I ' m 30 right now, hoping to be a full lawyer and not just a lawyer ' s lackey in 3 or 4 years.
I ' ll still be able to put in probably 30 or so hours a week but not the 50 or so he ' s been driving me on for the last few months.
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 3: 30 pm Post subject:
Law AND engineering... that ' s explains everything. LOL
You ' re not married, are you?
KypDurron
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 3: 40 pm Post subject:
I tried... I ' ll give the short sweet version of it.
Lets see....
1997 - Fell in love with best friends sister ( this pissed him off )
Dated through 1998 - she went to school in different state, I went to school in Wisconsin.
1999 - she got pregnant, we got ready to have kid, she miscarried. that was rough for us, and she took some time off from the relationship and disappeared in school for a while
Broken up till spring 2001 - got back together over the summer, and decided to move in together. I made the decision to move to her state with her while she finished school, being done. At the end of the summer, a month before we were to move, my little brother died in a car accident. I moved anyway, but couldn ' t keep it together, and we eventually broke up. I was really withdrawn. ( a side note, this is when I went from a chubby 220 or so to a blooming 300 or so lbs )
Broken up till she graduated in 2004 - ( i had promised to go to her graduation no matter what, so I stuck with it. She had come back for Xmas that year, we went out and i decided I wanted to get her back, so I found atkins. Dropped the weight, then drove down. Set up a ridiculous night out, coupled with a ridiculously expensive diamond bracelet thingamabob for a graduation present. It didn ' t work or so i thought, altho she thought I looked good. )
Late summer 2004 - she shows up on my door. Apparently decided to move back. We dated for 2. 5 more years, were on the cusp of getting married, and I blew it and started yes.... not paying enough attention.
The current situation is we ' re friends, which I hate.. and im trying for more, but shes kind of lost her motivation at getting at life, she ' s significantly less happy and it ' s wearing off on me. It may be a situation of two people who still like each other and y et theres just too much bad history and too much change. We may not be the same people we used to be... i dunno.
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 5: 26 pm Post subject:
Of course you ' re not the same people you used to be... none of us are because life changes us. Sometimes you still like who the other person becomes ( and vice versa ), sometimes you end up with nothing in common but your history. I hope you hit your goal weight, get your dating mojo on and find someone to have fun with. [ / icon_smile. gif]
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 5: 32 pm Post subject:
I dunno i have lots of mojos right now.
I have my motorcycle mojo, my fiction writing mojo, and my re education mojo...
maybe there ' s no more mojo to spread around right now.
As far as the ketosis sticks go, I get different results depending on which bottle i take from.
As an engineer, I ' m going insane right now.
I demand CONSISTENCY!
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 7: 49 pm Post subject:
LOL... then stick with law and engineering. Your body isn ' t a machine, it doesn ' t follow rules. [ / icon_wink. gif]
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 8: 03 pm Post subject:
I know but it ' s been maxed out purple for a long time, then all of a sudden whammo today its going pink and pink and pink and pinker.
No fake egg cream for me tonight, gonna cut it out and see what happens.
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 9: 49 pm Post subject:
the ketones you excrete through pee vary for a number of logical reasons, which can affect your particular shade on the stick. Moderate purple is FANTASTIC. the trick is to be in ketosis, not in a certain shade.
Don ' t write in to the company. the bottles are quality controlled. [ / icon_wink. gif]
Hang in there, buddy! [ / icon_cool. gif]
KypDurron
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 3: 21 am Post subject:
oh I got cranky today after that.
The rest of Kyp ' s day.
Kyp bought sugar free Jello, Kyp likes the tropical berry that gets packaged with the Strawberry Kiwi, which Kyp hates.
Kyp only got 1 tropical berry. Kyp called Kraft Jello and yelled. Kyp has a 24 pack of jello in the mail now.
Kyp called Bayer and yelled. Kyp has 3 bottles of Keto Sticks in the mail now.
Kyp yelled at Torani for their vanilla extract in their syrup. Kyp got a refund check in the mail for 12 bucks, and a bottle of some flavor that they don ' t have at Davinci.
Kyp is consumer warrior. Rawwwwr.
Sometimes talking in the third person is fun. Now I need to run upstairs and figure out how to flip this king salmon. My buddy at the seafood store gave me a ton of it tonite, it didn ' t even all fit in the baking dish. I can ' t even get the spatula under it.
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 3: 58 am Post subject:
I got my test strips today and had a moderate to high amount. ( I would guess 60 since it was a color directly between the 40 and the 80. Hmm. )
I have also had that metallic taste in my mouth since midday. I think that ' s a good estimate for about 55 or so hours from the beginning of Day 1 for me... so not surprised. It came about after a REALLY LONG walk in the hot sun so I ' m not surprised if I used up any remaining glucose store I had in me O_O especially since I didn ' t eat heavy before, ate a light snack midway through etc.
I went pretty low carb yesterday too, only 14 so likely, I didn ' t put much in to replace the carbs I lost and I just jumped into Ketosis today! Hurray!
I feel so good. I know I ' m gonna lose the weight finally with this diet. I have a lot to lose, at least 100 pounds but I ' m so happy to be making any progress at all.
Oh but from what I have read, getting all the way into the dark purple means you ' re dehydrated in most cases, though it can just mean you happened to catch a really high concentration of the ketones at a certain time of day. From what I read ( though I ' m still new at this, I have researched heavily ) I think you need a few good tests showing up like that in a row over a couple days before you should begin to even worry about it. If you ' re drinking as much water as you say, there ' s no way you ' re dehydrated unless you ' re consuming WAY too much salt and maybe overexercizing a LOT... but I don ' t think that ' s so likely from what you ' ve said so far? So hopefully, all is well right? [ / icon_smile. gif]
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Fri Jul 04, 2008 3: 11 pm Post subject: Ketosticks, whats your color range.....?
I just used them for the first time ever, never really thought I needed em to check if I was in ketosis before, but I figured what the hey...
It was maxed out at the purple, anyone think that ' s excessive?
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Sat Jul 05, 2008 5: 23 am Post subject:
Essentially, the color doesn ' t matter, any color, even trace, is good, exclude the really dark purple - that would mean you are dehydrated and / or that you eat too much fat.
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Sat Jul 05, 2008 12: 14 pm Post subject:
mine are only pinkish. Never darker - but that ' s good enough for me. Oh and i lost another pound yesterday!..... whoopeee!
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Sun Jul 06, 2008 3: 15 am Post subject:
Well im drinking well over 100 ounces of water a day and im definitely not consuming too much fat....
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Sun Jul 06, 2008 3: 31 am Post subject:
i think it can really depend when you do it during the day, as in maybe at that particular time you were releasing more ketones than other times of the day - did you try the stick a couple different times during the day or even the next day and was it still as dark?
for example i did my stick last night and it was very dark purple, and like you i drink well over the amount of needed water AND i don ' t consume that much fat but then today when i did it during the day mine was a light shade of pink..
Tril
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Sun Jul 06, 2008 6: 51 pm Post subject:
Read this on ketones / strips / ketosis from the FAQ thread:
http: / / lowcarbsite. com / forum / viewtopic. php? t=1601
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Sun Jul 06, 2008 6: 52 pm Post subject:
I much do one before I leave the house and one when I get home at night, now.
I ' ll probably stop bothering for awhile, theres definitely no need for me to do it until I start making changes in the diet.
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Tack on Jul 09, 2008 7: 46 am Post subject:
I ' ve never used any of the ketosis strips. I ' m sure that if you succeed the plan that you shouldn ' t have to pest about using them.
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Grapple Jul 09, 2008 10: 37 am Post subject:
I test once a week or so, first void of the day. It ' s recurrently trace or small, never more than that. A meal high in fat ( say, protein fat like meat & cheese, cream plus added fat like a salad dressing or mayo ) can give a darker harvest right after you eat. As long as I still have signs I ' m in ketosis and the strips are confirming that, I don ' t think about it... I certainly don ' t heartache about it. lol
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 1: 44 pm Post subject:
Grrrr.... i had a moderate purple at morning and then a moderate at lunch.... i don ' t trust this torani syrup that i got because t hey were out of davinci..
I ' m goin over my food journal now.... grrr
Maybe its the protein shake....
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 2: 42 pm Post subject:
And maybe you ' re exceting more of the ketones through your lungs today... or maybe you used up more of them and had less to eject... and maybe your body is becoming more efficient... or maybe you had more to drink or your body is releasing more water so your urine is more diluted... SO... maybe there ' s nothing actually wrong... so many maybes... [ / icon_wink. gif]
KypDurron
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 2: 48 pm Post subject:
Maybe its time for an extra couple sets of weights and an extra half hour or hour on the crisp or stairmaster today.
If my body doesn ' t do what I tell it to do, it gets punished. It knows this, it shouldn ' t be giving me backtalk like this.
Tril
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 2: 53 pm Post subject:
You ' re presumptuous that a less than dark purple payoff on a keto - stix is somehow " bad " or wrong or a sign you ' re doing something less. It ' s not.
I just don ' t want anyone else ( you can think what you want, of course ) to believe that anything less than dark purple is somehow a less desireable level of ketosis. Darker purple does not mean you ' re losing more / faster than someone with a trace reading.
KypDurron
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 3: 01 pm Post subject:
Yes, I consent with Tril.
For the record, I ' m being an idiot. I ' m just meticulous in my routine and when I see a particularity in the routine that accompanies a change in the diet, I get GRRR angry and start looking for blame in the changes.
In this case I added the Torani ' s plus I put more of the protein shake in because it appeared to be extra me a lot, and now I ' m glaring at it as it sits in my bag, innocent in its powdered little form.
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 3: 09 pm Post subject:
And I can picture you searching for a formula to make it all make sense... [ / icon_wink. gif]
You know, I ' d like to see you in a yoga or meditation class with incense burnging, soft tinkling air in the background... I pledge you couldn ' t close your eyes. LOL You have a very high strung " get it done now " personality! Hazard your boss loves you.
KypDurron
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 3: 28 pm Post subject:
My boss is positively in love with me.... unforunately for him, although he doesn ' t know this, I re enrolled in college.
I ' m working AROUND him with the HR guy and my buddy in the department upper both of us and going down to part time.
I ' m currently a paralegal / manipulate at this firm and I ' m going back to finish school. I ' m 30 right now, hoping to be a full lawyer and not just a lawyer ' s lackey in 3 or 4 years.
I ' ll still be able to put in probably 30 or so hours a week but not the 50 or so he ' s been driving me on for the last few months.
Tril
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 3: 30 pm Post subject:
Law AND engineering... that ' s explains everything. LOL
You ' re not married, are you?
KypDurron
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 3: 40 pm Post subject:
I tried... I ' ll give the short sweet version of it.
Lets see....
1997 - Fell in love with best friends sister ( this pissed him off )
Dated through 1998 - she went to school in different state, I went to school in Wisconsin.
1999 - she got pregnant, we got ready to have kid, she miscarried. that was rough for us, and she took some time off from the relationship and disappeared in school for a while
Broken up till spring 2001 - got back together over the summer, and decided to move in together. I made the decision to move to her state with her while she finished school, being done. At the end of the summer, a month before we were to move, my little brother died in a car accident. I moved anyway, but couldn ' t keep it together, and we eventually broke up. I was really withdrawn. ( a side note, this is when I went from a chubby 220 or so to a blooming 300 or so lbs )
Broken up till she graduated in 2004 - ( i had promised to go to her graduation no matter what, so I stuck with it. She had come back for Xmas that year, we went out and i decided I wanted to get her back, so I found atkins. Dropped the weight, then drove down. Set up a ridiculous night out, coupled with a ridiculously expensive diamond bracelet thingamabob for a graduation present. It didn ' t work or so i thought, altho she thought I looked good. )
Late summer 2004 - she shows up on my door. Apparently decided to move back. We dated for 2. 5 more years, were on the cusp of getting married, and I blew it and started yes.... not paying enough attention.
The current situation is we ' re friends, which I hate.. and im trying for more, but shes kind of lost her motivation at getting at life, she ' s significantly less happy and it ' s wearing off on me. It may be a situation of two people who still like each other and y et theres just too much bad history and too much change. We may not be the same people we used to be... i dunno.
Tril
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 5: 26 pm Post subject:
Of course you ' re not the same people you used to be... none of us are because life changes us. Sometimes you still like who the other person becomes ( and vice versa ), sometimes you end up with nothing in common but your history. I hope you hit your goal weight, get your dating mojo on and find someone to have fun with. [ / icon_smile. gif]
Tril
KypDurron
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 5: 32 pm Post subject:
I dunno i have lots of mojos right now.
I have my motorcycle mojo, my fiction writing mojo, and my re education mojo...
maybe there ' s no more mojo to spread around right now.
As far as the ketosis sticks go, I get different results depending on which bottle i take from.
As an engineer, I ' m going insane right now.
I demand CONSISTENCY!
Tril
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 7: 49 pm Post subject:
LOL... then stick with law and engineering. Your body isn ' t a machine, it doesn ' t follow rules. [ / icon_wink. gif]
KypDurron
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 8: 03 pm Post subject:
I know but it ' s been maxed out purple for a long time, then all of a sudden whammo today its going pink and pink and pink and pinker.
No fake egg cream for me tonight, gonna cut it out and see what happens.
wheresmycoat
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Posts: 326
Thu Jul 17, 2008 9: 49 pm Post subject:
the ketones you excrete through pee vary for a number of logical reasons, which can affect your particular shade on the stick. Moderate purple is FANTASTIC. the trick is to be in ketosis, not in a certain shade.
Don ' t write in to the company. the bottles are quality controlled. [ / icon_wink. gif]
Hang in there, buddy! [ / icon_cool. gif]
KypDurron
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 3: 21 am Post subject:
oh I got cranky today after that.
The rest of Kyp ' s day.
Kyp bought sugar free Jello, Kyp likes the tropical berry that gets packaged with the Strawberry Kiwi, which Kyp hates.
Kyp only got 1 tropical berry. Kyp called Kraft Jello and yelled. Kyp has a 24 pack of jello in the mail now.
Kyp called Bayer and yelled. Kyp has 3 bottles of Keto Sticks in the mail now.
Kyp yelled at Torani for their vanilla extract in their syrup. Kyp got a refund check in the mail for 12 bucks, and a bottle of some flavor that they don ' t have at Davinci.
Kyp is consumer warrior. Rawwwwr.
Sometimes talking in the third person is fun. Now I need to run upstairs and figure out how to flip this king salmon. My buddy at the seafood store gave me a ton of it tonite, it didn ' t even all fit in the baking dish. I can ' t even get the spatula under it.
arsieiuni
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 3: 58 am Post subject:
I got my test strips today and had a moderate to high amount. ( I would guess 60 since it was a color directly between the 40 and the 80. Hmm. )
I have also had that metallic taste in my mouth since midday. I think that ' s a good estimate for about 55 or so hours from the beginning of Day 1 for me... so not surprised. It came about after a REALLY LONG walk in the hot sun so I ' m not surprised if I used up any remaining glucose store I had in me O_O especially since I didn ' t eat heavy before, ate a light snack midway through etc.
I went pretty low carb yesterday too, only 14 so likely, I didn ' t put much in to replace the carbs I lost and I just jumped into Ketosis today! Hurray!
I feel so good. I know I ' m gonna lose the weight finally with this diet. I have a lot to lose, at least 100 pounds but I ' m so happy to be making any progress at all.
Oh but from what I have read, getting all the way into the dark purple means you ' re dehydrated in most cases, though it can just mean you happened to catch a really high concentration of the ketones at a certain time of day. From what I read ( though I ' m still new at this, I have researched heavily ) I think you need a few good tests showing up like that in a row over a couple days before you should begin to even worry about it. If you ' re drinking as much water as you say, there ' s no way you ' re dehydrated unless you ' re consuming WAY too much salt and maybe overexercizing a LOT... but I don ' t think that ' s so likely from what you ' ve said so far? So hopefully, all is well right? [ / icon_smile. gif]
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Old Misery
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 7: 18 pm Post subject: excess skin
I ' m sure there are a variety of conditions that have an effect on this but, would someone give me their opinion - I want to go from 252 to 175 ( in about 6 months I ' m sunny ) will I have excess skin? If so how bad? Thanks for the help!
Tril
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 7: 42 pm Post subject:
I ' m sure you ' re expecting an answer like this... but it will depend on many factors.
Things like:
Age
How long you were overweight
Your hightest ever wt
Your body type
Where your fat was ( belly or hips or spread out )
Your underlying muscle tone
Speed of wt loss
Other things we can ' t predict elastin in your skin
Sorry... no way to really know.
Old Misery
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 8: 00 pm Post subject: answers
I ' m 31 and 252lbs is my highest weight. I have been steadly gaining weight for ten years from 190lbs to 252. my body type is kindof thick normally. My fat is chiefly in the belly ( I ' m a 42 " waist ) and the rest all over. I ' m pretty strong and do resistance training ( lift weights ) 3 times a week. I want to drop 70lbs in 6 months. Thanks for your input! Aaron
Tril
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 8: 11 pm Post subject:
I would say that you have a small risk of having excess skin. You ' re on the fence age - wise. But with a larger body type and exercise you ' re blessed. I ' d say the only area you might have issues with is your belly. But then there are men who lose a very large belly and they ' re ok. I guess, really, only time will tell.
And heck, there are women who have babies and still get a flat stomach afterwards. Not many... but some. [ / icon_wink. gif] THAT certainly gives the belly a good stretch! LOL
Tril
Ron Vermeil
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 8: 32 pm Post subject: Re: answers
Old Misery wrote:
I ' m 31 and 252lbs is my highest weight. I have been steadly gaining weight for ten years from 190lbs to 252. my body type is kindof thick normally. My fat is principally in the belly ( I ' m a 42 " waist ) and the rest all over. I ' m pretty strong and do resistance training ( lift weights ) 3 times a week. I want to drop 70lbs in 6 months. Thanks for your input! Aaron
Aaron what height are you, you are almost same weight and age as me. With a similar goal in mind!!! in 244 at the moment and am 5 9
Old Misery
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 8: 49 pm Post subject:
Mr. Pink, that ' s so strange! I ' m 5 ' 7 " and my current weight is 242! ( check my progress post if you want to see my progress over the last couple weeks ). When did you start and how much have you lost? And do you have any kid bound books in your library? [ / icon_lol. gif]
Tril - That ' s a good point about pregnancy, that ' s a ton for the help
wheresmycoat
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Tue Jul 15, 2008 5: 34 am Post subject:
Men seem to have less excess skin issues than women. Not sure if its down to men having more muscle mass, or what.
Smart jack would say you will be fine, superior you exercise and do your strength training, especially in any areas where there are sound fat deposits ( e. g. do 200 - 400 sit - ups at least 3x per week if your belly is flabby ). Aim for 2 lbs per week. Slow and Steady.
Worst case scenario, if you do get a bit of excess skin in the tum, just do a tummy tuck. No biggie. [ / icon_cool. gif]
KypDurron
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Tue Jul 15, 2008 1: 08 pm Post subject:
I dropped from 315 to 175 and i did it pretty fast, within about 6 months to 7, I didn ' t and still don ' t really have excess skin like flaps or whatever... I guess we should define excess skin.
I ' m not exactly taut like a movie star, however. There are stretch marks on my sides over my obliques, that ' s for sure. Nothing hangs off, and i can stretch my skin just a bit, but if your thinking, hey maybe this will be a serious negative, it ' s not that horrible.
Ron Burgundy
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Tue Jul 15, 2008 2: 32 pm Post subject:
Old Misery wrote:
Mr. Burgundy, that ' s so strange! I ' m 5 ' 7 " and my current weight is 242! ( check my progress post if you want to see my progress over the last couple weeks ). When did you start and how much have you lost? And do you have any leather bound books in your library? [ / icon_lol. gif]
Tril - That ' s a good point about pregnancy, that ' s a ton for the help
I do and i have have a dog called Baxter ( really i do )
I was 246 and started proper last friday. I ' m 242 now and hope to get down about 20 bls by the middle of aug as i am bringing my wife away for a weekend.
But about 190 is where i want to be. we should start a seperate thread to keep a weekly track of how we are getting on.
karenjs
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Wed Jul 16, 2008 3: 21 pm Post subject:
Hi Ron,
I started at 254 and am now at 175. I do have excess skin in the areas that had large fat deposits dragged down by gravity for a long time: belly, underarms, inner thighs, mid back. I expect that by the time I get to my goal weight, the excess skin will be less visible and if I take the remaining weight loss slowly, my skin will have a better chance to shrink back.
Your experience will be different though, because I am 52 and female.
Still, I would never choose to have the weight back in order to not have excess skin. It is totally hidden when I am dressed normally.
Old Misery
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Thu Jul 17, 2008 5: 18 am Post subject:
Ron,
I love the idea! I have a spread sheet that I track my weekly measurments on. I share that as well. ( I have a dog named Sherlock, and my house smells of rich mahogany ) Sorry, I can ' t help myself, that movie has so many halarious one liners.
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Old Misery
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 7: 18 pm Post subject: excess skin
I ' m sure there are a variety of conditions that have an effect on this but, would someone give me their opinion - I want to go from 252 to 175 ( in about 6 months I ' m sunny ) will I have excess skin? If so how bad? Thanks for the help!
Tril
Senior Member
Joined: 27 May 2008
Posts: 1325
Situation: ( very ) Northeastern USA
Mon Jul 14, 2008 7: 42 pm Post subject:
I ' m sure you ' re expecting an answer like this... but it will depend on many factors.
Things like:
Age
How long you were overweight
Your hightest ever wt
Your body type
Where your fat was ( belly or hips or spread out )
Your underlying muscle tone
Speed of wt loss
Other things we can ' t predict elastin in your skin
Sorry... no way to really know.
Old Misery
New Member
Joined: 07 Jul 2008
Posts: 15
Spot: Raleigh, NC
Mon Jul 14, 2008 8: 00 pm Post subject: answers
I ' m 31 and 252lbs is my highest weight. I have been steadly gaining weight for ten years from 190lbs to 252. my body type is kindof thick normally. My fat is chiefly in the belly ( I ' m a 42 " waist ) and the rest all over. I ' m pretty strong and do resistance training ( lift weights ) 3 times a week. I want to drop 70lbs in 6 months. Thanks for your input! Aaron
Tril
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Joined: 27 May 2008
Posts: 1325
Post: ( very ) Northeastern USA
Mon Jul 14, 2008 8: 11 pm Post subject:
I would say that you have a small risk of having excess skin. You ' re on the fence age - wise. But with a larger body type and exercise you ' re blessed. I ' d say the only area you might have issues with is your belly. But then there are men who lose a very large belly and they ' re ok. I guess, really, only time will tell.
And heck, there are women who have babies and still get a flat stomach afterwards. Not many... but some. [ / icon_wink. gif] THAT certainly gives the belly a good stretch! LOL
Tril
Ron Vermeil
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 8: 32 pm Post subject: Re: answers
Old Misery wrote:
I ' m 31 and 252lbs is my highest weight. I have been steadly gaining weight for ten years from 190lbs to 252. my body type is kindof thick normally. My fat is principally in the belly ( I ' m a 42 " waist ) and the rest all over. I ' m pretty strong and do resistance training ( lift weights ) 3 times a week. I want to drop 70lbs in 6 months. Thanks for your input! Aaron
Aaron what height are you, you are almost same weight and age as me. With a similar goal in mind!!! in 244 at the moment and am 5 9
Old Misery
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 8: 49 pm Post subject:
Mr. Pink, that ' s so strange! I ' m 5 ' 7 " and my current weight is 242! ( check my progress post if you want to see my progress over the last couple weeks ). When did you start and how much have you lost? And do you have any kid bound books in your library? [ / icon_lol. gif]
Tril - That ' s a good point about pregnancy, that ' s a ton for the help
wheresmycoat
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Joined: 26 Apr 2008
Posts: 326
Tue Jul 15, 2008 5: 34 am Post subject:
Men seem to have less excess skin issues than women. Not sure if its down to men having more muscle mass, or what.
Smart jack would say you will be fine, superior you exercise and do your strength training, especially in any areas where there are sound fat deposits ( e. g. do 200 - 400 sit - ups at least 3x per week if your belly is flabby ). Aim for 2 lbs per week. Slow and Steady.
Worst case scenario, if you do get a bit of excess skin in the tum, just do a tummy tuck. No biggie. [ / icon_cool. gif]
KypDurron
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Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Posts: 427
Location: Wisconsin
Tue Jul 15, 2008 1: 08 pm Post subject:
I dropped from 315 to 175 and i did it pretty fast, within about 6 months to 7, I didn ' t and still don ' t really have excess skin like flaps or whatever... I guess we should define excess skin.
I ' m not exactly taut like a movie star, however. There are stretch marks on my sides over my obliques, that ' s for sure. Nothing hangs off, and i can stretch my skin just a bit, but if your thinking, hey maybe this will be a serious negative, it ' s not that horrible.
Ron Burgundy
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Joined: 04 Jul 2008
Posts: 29
Location: Ireland
Tue Jul 15, 2008 2: 32 pm Post subject:
Old Misery wrote:
Mr. Burgundy, that ' s so strange! I ' m 5 ' 7 " and my current weight is 242! ( check my progress post if you want to see my progress over the last couple weeks ). When did you start and how much have you lost? And do you have any leather bound books in your library? [ / icon_lol. gif]
Tril - That ' s a good point about pregnancy, that ' s a ton for the help
I do and i have have a dog called Baxter ( really i do )
I was 246 and started proper last friday. I ' m 242 now and hope to get down about 20 bls by the middle of aug as i am bringing my wife away for a weekend.
But about 190 is where i want to be. we should start a seperate thread to keep a weekly track of how we are getting on.
karenjs
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Joined: 03 Jan 2008
Posts: 544
Location: San Jose
Wed Jul 16, 2008 3: 21 pm Post subject:
Hi Ron,
I started at 254 and am now at 175. I do have excess skin in the areas that had large fat deposits dragged down by gravity for a long time: belly, underarms, inner thighs, mid back. I expect that by the time I get to my goal weight, the excess skin will be less visible and if I take the remaining weight loss slowly, my skin will have a better chance to shrink back.
Your experience will be different though, because I am 52 and female.
Still, I would never choose to have the weight back in order to not have excess skin. It is totally hidden when I am dressed normally.
Old Misery
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Joined: 07 Jul 2008
Posts: 15
Location: Raleigh, NC
Thu Jul 17, 2008 5: 18 am Post subject:
Ron,
I love the idea! I have a spread sheet that I track my weekly measurments on. I share that as well. ( I have a dog named Sherlock, and my house smells of rich mahogany ) Sorry, I can ' t help myself, that movie has so many halarious one liners.
Thank you karenjs and wheresmycoat...
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simi
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Fri May 09, 2008 12: 58 pm Post subject: Thank you karenjs and wheresmycoat...
Hi everyone,
I especially wanted to thank karenjs and wheresmycoat on giving me some good advice.
I will not be in a quicken to lose weight anymore and do it slowly but make it a lasting goal. As it turns out, I will be taking hormones for a while so no matter how fast i lose the weight, it will keep on coming back until i keep my diet regimen going.
so instead of getting frustrated... i will keep on going. Although the only hard thing for me right now is cutting back on decaf coffee. I did doorknob from caffeinated to decaf coffee. But my question is that i do use heavy cream in my coffee and splenda... you think it might slow down ketosis for me or not.... thank you very much ladies for great advice...
will be back with updates next week....
have a happy Atkins..........
wheresmycoat
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Joined: 26 Apr 2008
Posts: 322
Fri May 09, 2008 2: 13 pm Post subject:
you are most welcome - - this is really about changing the parallel you have with food - - so its a lifetime commitment, not a few weeks / months. coincidentally, your hormornes are much more stable when you cut out sugar and processed foods, so your endocrinologyst / gynecologist will be happy!
personally, i don ' t use splenda or cream very often as it slows my progress and makes me crave MORE sweet things. I am an Atkins purist and I have found that the less often you eat sweets, the less you shall crave them. the human body is resilient and you can re - programme your mind to be satisfied with certain foods, like grilled fish and devilled eggs.
Good luck! [ / icon_cool. gif]
JCFAST66
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Sat May 10, 2008 1: 23 am Post subject:
I also stay as far away from sweets as far as I can. I ' m positive one frosted honey bun would lead to five hundred honey buns. After a month of no sweets I have no sweet cravings what so ever. I believe as Coat said the sweet cravings will throw you into an eating binge, happens to me everytime. JC
karenjs
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Location: San Jose
Sat May 10, 2008 5: 02 am Post subject:
You ' re welcome, Simi. I ' m glad to help. I think you have a great attitude toward food and it will bring you long - term success. I wish you all the best!
heyla44
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Sat May 10, 2008 9: 36 pm Post subject:
I would just like to second that thanks to you guys!
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simi
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Fri May 09, 2008 12: 58 pm Post subject: Thank you karenjs and wheresmycoat...
Hi everyone,
I especially wanted to thank karenjs and wheresmycoat on giving me some good advice.
I will not be in a quicken to lose weight anymore and do it slowly but make it a lasting goal. As it turns out, I will be taking hormones for a while so no matter how fast i lose the weight, it will keep on coming back until i keep my diet regimen going.
so instead of getting frustrated... i will keep on going. Although the only hard thing for me right now is cutting back on decaf coffee. I did doorknob from caffeinated to decaf coffee. But my question is that i do use heavy cream in my coffee and splenda... you think it might slow down ketosis for me or not.... thank you very much ladies for great advice...
will be back with updates next week....
have a happy Atkins..........
wheresmycoat
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Joined: 26 Apr 2008
Posts: 322
Fri May 09, 2008 2: 13 pm Post subject:
you are most welcome - - this is really about changing the parallel you have with food - - so its a lifetime commitment, not a few weeks / months. coincidentally, your hormornes are much more stable when you cut out sugar and processed foods, so your endocrinologyst / gynecologist will be happy!
personally, i don ' t use splenda or cream very often as it slows my progress and makes me crave MORE sweet things. I am an Atkins purist and I have found that the less often you eat sweets, the less you shall crave them. the human body is resilient and you can re - programme your mind to be satisfied with certain foods, like grilled fish and devilled eggs.
Good luck! [ / icon_cool. gif]
JCFAST66
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Joined: 15 Mar 2008
Posts: 29
Location: East Central Iowa
Sat May 10, 2008 1: 23 am Post subject:
I also stay as far away from sweets as far as I can. I ' m positive one frosted honey bun would lead to five hundred honey buns. After a month of no sweets I have no sweet cravings what so ever. I believe as Coat said the sweet cravings will throw you into an eating binge, happens to me everytime. JC
karenjs
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Joined: 03 Jan 2008
Posts: 544
Location: San Jose
Sat May 10, 2008 5: 02 am Post subject:
You ' re welcome, Simi. I ' m glad to help. I think you have a great attitude toward food and it will bring you long - term success. I wish you all the best!
heyla44
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Location: Yorkshire
Sat May 10, 2008 9: 36 pm Post subject:
I would just like to second that thanks to you guys!
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Tofugirl
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Fri May 09, 2008 2: 55 pm Post subject: Calorie Intake
Greetings everyone,
I am new to this forum. I ' m Asian and live in Japan. English is not my first talking, so please bear with me if my grammar is not perfect.
This is my second attempt with Atkins after 4 & half years. I've lost about 60lb the first time but I gained it all back and than some. I'm sure my story is not new. Anyway, I've been doing induction for a month now ( 32days ), and engage in to lose 22lb. My dilemma is ( I never thought I'd say this ) I may not be eating enough. According to Fitday calculation, I'm eating 900 – 1200 cal a day ( 250cal from olive oil and butter ). After initial week, I treat to get full juicy ( I'm guessing my stomach is getting smaller ). Since I'm not hungry, I don't have the urge to snack. I feel as though my body seems to know when I'm hungry and I have set on in affluent routine. Breakfast is around 6: 30 – 7: 00, lunch 11: 45 – 12: 00, and dinner 6: 00 – 7: 00. I do not eat after dinner and I go to abutment around 11: 00. My question is, should I force myself to eat even if I'm not hungry? I fell very satisfied after each meal, I don't feel deprived. But I'm afraid I may be forcing my body to starvation mode unintentionally. Any suggestion / advice is very welcome.
Here are my stats; I'm 5'1, 249lb, zero exercise. Scale shows slow movement but not stalling. I drink 2 - 3 liter of water every day, intake daily dose of vegetables and in ketosis. I also feel great 95 % of time.
Now, if only Poop Fairy comes visit me more often, I be all set…
maxomo
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Fri May 09, 2008 5: 11 pm Post subject:
It does sound like you aren ' t enough calories, but you shouldn ' t be force feeding yourself. If you feel satisfied then that should be the most important measure. You may need more fiber in your diet. I would recommend eating flax seed. I make flax seed pancakes with just an egg and a couple spoonfulls of flax and that helps me keep regular.
Congrats on the weight loss! Keep it up!
wheresmycoat
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Posts: 322
Fri May 09, 2008 8: 30 pm Post subject:
If you exercise EVERY DAY you will POOP MORE OFTEN. I promise.
Leave the fairy to help Peter Pan. [ / icon_cool. gif]
Also, as long as you do not go more than 5 waking hours without eating and eat your veggie carbs, you are OK at around 1000 calories.
Good luck!
karenjs
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Location: San Jose
Sat May 10, 2008 5: 08 am Post subject:
The only thing about your routine that worries me is the zero exercise. It ' s really important. Now it doesn ' t have to be pushups and treadmills. Anything that gets your heart pumping is fine - - biking, walking, flying a kite, playing softball, anything at all. Dr Atkins called exercise non - negotiable. A must.
Other than that, I think you ' re doing fine.
Tofugirl
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Sat May 10, 2008 11: 28 am Post subject:
Thanks for taking time to reply. I wasn't aware about the starvation mode or the other worrisome stuff until recent net - surfing on low - carb. Information overload I guess. It really helps to hear I'm doing okay.
maxomo: I been dying to get hold of this magic " Flaxseed " fiber. I want to try so many new things, but none available in Japan that I ' m aware of [ / icon_sad. gif]
wheresmycoat: You had me worried for a full minute, [ / icon_eek. gif] thinking I had to conjure up another meal until I realize 5 waking hours was a typo. But thank you! It gave me an opportunity go over DANDR again. When in doubt, go back to basic, right? [ / icon_cool. gif]
karenjs: One of the biggest reason to get in shape is because I can no longer walk more than 5 minute without resting my legs. Bad circulation. I ' m hoping to lose another 20lb to help ease burden on legs before taking up walking again. I don't know why I let myself go this far, I use to love walking…Anyway, no more excuse as of today! I'll have to be more creative with exercise.
wheresmycoat
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Sat May 10, 2008 3: 47 pm Post subject:
Go swimming, its better for your legs / joints and overall circulation.
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Tofugirl
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Fri May 09, 2008 2: 55 pm Post subject: Calorie Intake
Greetings everyone,
I am new to this forum. I ' m Asian and live in Japan. English is not my first talking, so please bear with me if my grammar is not perfect.
This is my second attempt with Atkins after 4 & half years. I've lost about 60lb the first time but I gained it all back and than some. I'm sure my story is not new. Anyway, I've been doing induction for a month now ( 32days ), and engage in to lose 22lb. My dilemma is ( I never thought I'd say this ) I may not be eating enough. According to Fitday calculation, I'm eating 900 – 1200 cal a day ( 250cal from olive oil and butter ). After initial week, I treat to get full juicy ( I'm guessing my stomach is getting smaller ). Since I'm not hungry, I don't have the urge to snack. I feel as though my body seems to know when I'm hungry and I have set on in affluent routine. Breakfast is around 6: 30 – 7: 00, lunch 11: 45 – 12: 00, and dinner 6: 00 – 7: 00. I do not eat after dinner and I go to abutment around 11: 00. My question is, should I force myself to eat even if I'm not hungry? I fell very satisfied after each meal, I don't feel deprived. But I'm afraid I may be forcing my body to starvation mode unintentionally. Any suggestion / advice is very welcome.
Here are my stats; I'm 5'1, 249lb, zero exercise. Scale shows slow movement but not stalling. I drink 2 - 3 liter of water every day, intake daily dose of vegetables and in ketosis. I also feel great 95 % of time.
Now, if only Poop Fairy comes visit me more often, I be all set…
maxomo
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Fri May 09, 2008 5: 11 pm Post subject:
It does sound like you aren ' t enough calories, but you shouldn ' t be force feeding yourself. If you feel satisfied then that should be the most important measure. You may need more fiber in your diet. I would recommend eating flax seed. I make flax seed pancakes with just an egg and a couple spoonfulls of flax and that helps me keep regular.
Congrats on the weight loss! Keep it up!
wheresmycoat
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Fri May 09, 2008 8: 30 pm Post subject:
If you exercise EVERY DAY you will POOP MORE OFTEN. I promise.
Leave the fairy to help Peter Pan. [ / icon_cool. gif]
Also, as long as you do not go more than 5 waking hours without eating and eat your veggie carbs, you are OK at around 1000 calories.
Good luck!
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Sat May 10, 2008 5: 08 am Post subject:
The only thing about your routine that worries me is the zero exercise. It ' s really important. Now it doesn ' t have to be pushups and treadmills. Anything that gets your heart pumping is fine - - biking, walking, flying a kite, playing softball, anything at all. Dr Atkins called exercise non - negotiable. A must.
Other than that, I think you ' re doing fine.
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Sat May 10, 2008 11: 28 am Post subject:
Thanks for taking time to reply. I wasn't aware about the starvation mode or the other worrisome stuff until recent net - surfing on low - carb. Information overload I guess. It really helps to hear I'm doing okay.
maxomo: I been dying to get hold of this magic " Flaxseed " fiber. I want to try so many new things, but none available in Japan that I ' m aware of [ / icon_sad. gif]
wheresmycoat: You had me worried for a full minute, [ / icon_eek. gif] thinking I had to conjure up another meal until I realize 5 waking hours was a typo. But thank you! It gave me an opportunity go over DANDR again. When in doubt, go back to basic, right? [ / icon_cool. gif]
karenjs: One of the biggest reason to get in shape is because I can no longer walk more than 5 minute without resting my legs. Bad circulation. I ' m hoping to lose another 20lb to help ease burden on legs before taking up walking again. I don't know why I let myself go this far, I use to love walking…Anyway, no more excuse as of today! I'll have to be more creative with exercise.
wheresmycoat
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Sat May 10, 2008 3: 47 pm Post subject:
Go swimming, its better for your legs / joints and overall circulation.
soy milk
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Ron Crimson
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Tie up Jul 09, 2008 6: 57 pm Post subject: soy milk
can i have a soy latte???
Designation to starbucks tomorrow and a soy latte was what i was thinking i could have.
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Juxtapose Jul 09, 2008 7: 12 pm Post subject:
Looking it up... but i doubt it.
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Marry Jul 09, 2008 7: 13 pm Post subject:
If this is it... then no.
http: / / www. nutritiondata. com / facts / foods - from - starbucks / 9515 / 2
That ' s the smallest one.. and it ' s 22 carbs.
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 8: 01 pm Post subject:
well then i guess it just a decaff with cream then!!!
Maybe some sugar free vanilla to add some taste
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 9: 11 pm Post subject:
Soy products come from soyBEANS... beans are legumes and are not added until the 6th rung of the OWL ladder. Avoid all soy products.
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Tie up Jul 09, 2008 6: 57 pm Post subject: soy milk
can i have a soy latte???
Designation to starbucks tomorrow and a soy latte was what i was thinking i could have.
KypDurron
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Juxtapose Jul 09, 2008 7: 12 pm Post subject:
Looking it up... but i doubt it.
KypDurron
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Marry Jul 09, 2008 7: 13 pm Post subject:
If this is it... then no.
http: / / www. nutritiondata. com / facts / foods - from - starbucks / 9515 / 2
That ' s the smallest one.. and it ' s 22 carbs.
Ron Burgundy
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 8: 01 pm Post subject:
well then i guess it just a decaff with cream then!!!
Maybe some sugar free vanilla to add some taste
Tril
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 9: 11 pm Post subject:
Soy products come from soyBEANS... beans are legumes and are not added until the 6th rung of the OWL ladder. Avoid all soy products.
Tril
Can I ever have a potato again?
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Silktassel
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Fri May 09, 2008 11: 33 am Post subject: Can I ever have a potato again?
Have lost 20 lb since Easter and am now stalled for a week so far. My husband and I are gourmet cooks and life don ' t seem worth living if I don ' t see a potato in my future ever again... lol... not to mention a measure of cheesecake or ice cream... gawd. Anyway great site.
wheresmycoat
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Fri May 09, 2008 12: 24 pm Post subject:
fear not, nothing is massive! you can eat sweet potato now and again when you get closer to maintenance. And, of course, there is a DELICIOUS low carb cheesecake - - I have served this to my New York friends and they never knew it was sugar - free. [ / icon_lol. gif]
Worst - case rundown... when you are maintaining your weight, you can go off the low carb regime for 60 rag without doing damage and causing your insulin to spike. but, you must stop eating potatoes, etc. before the 60 minute mark.
congrats on the weight loss! [ / icon_cool. gif]
Last edited by wheresmycoat on Sat May 10, 2008 5: 17 am; edited 1 time in total
karenjs
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Question for wheresmycoat:
You ' ve mentioned the 60 minute window for cheating a couple of times. Where did that idea come from? I don ' t remember seeing it in the Atkins book. Is there some research I haven ' t heard about?
wheresmycoat
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Sat May 10, 2008 6: 32 am Post subject:
Hi Karen,
Its basic physiology and biology, made very popular by Dr. Rachael Heller in her book about Carbohydrate Addicts. I have studied human assembly and hormorne production ( insulin ) and work closely with top diabetes / pharma companies. In basic terms, people who are addicted to carbs ( i. e. recurrently anyone obese ) nurse to release more insulin than normal after eating high carb meals. This starts a cycle of massive insulin ( over ) production - - and more insulin hormone in your body makes you hungrier and actually tells the body to not only eat more ( even shortly after consuming pounds of pasta! ) and store the extra carbs as fat BUT to actually, under no circumstances, use the body ' s current fat stores as energy. Its a double whammy! [ / icon_eek. gif]
And, if you don ' t stop the over - producing insulin cycle, you continue eating and eating and eating, without ever feeling satisfied, of course, and this is the exact cycle that puts you firmly on the diabetes ( type 2 ) road of mis - managed insulin production due to ( the wrong ) diet. Please note that this cycle does not happen in every human body, just folks like us who are clinically overweight / obese from eating.
So, here is the kicker. In most of our bodies, we produce this extra production of insulin AFTER about 60 minutes of when the high carbs FIRST hit our mouths. So, its a race to beat the insulin clock!
This is why I advise if you really must eat something thats not on the diet ( or have just cheated and freak out that it ' ll turn into a 5 - day binge! ), just do so within 60 minutes ( better to do in less time, though ). Then, go back to eating high protein to immediately curb any psychological desire to eat more crap.
This is the beauty of the science. This is the reason why when you eat a normal portion of high protein / low - carb food you actually feel satisfied for a longer period of time than just eating the same size portion of pasta. It ' s because you prevented your body from producing any extra insulin, thereby preventing the fatal spike that leads to insatiable hunger. This is exactly why once you are in ketosis you generally eat quantities like a " normal " and slim person. [ / icon_cool. gif]
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Silktassel
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Fri May 09, 2008 11: 33 am Post subject: Can I ever have a potato again?
Have lost 20 lb since Easter and am now stalled for a week so far. My husband and I are gourmet cooks and life don ' t seem worth living if I don ' t see a potato in my future ever again... lol... not to mention a measure of cheesecake or ice cream... gawd. Anyway great site.
wheresmycoat
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Fri May 09, 2008 12: 24 pm Post subject:
fear not, nothing is massive! you can eat sweet potato now and again when you get closer to maintenance. And, of course, there is a DELICIOUS low carb cheesecake - - I have served this to my New York friends and they never knew it was sugar - free. [ / icon_lol. gif]
Worst - case rundown... when you are maintaining your weight, you can go off the low carb regime for 60 rag without doing damage and causing your insulin to spike. but, you must stop eating potatoes, etc. before the 60 minute mark.
congrats on the weight loss! [ / icon_cool. gif]
Last edited by wheresmycoat on Sat May 10, 2008 5: 17 am; edited 1 time in total
karenjs
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Sat May 10, 2008 5: 12 am Post subject:
Question for wheresmycoat:
You ' ve mentioned the 60 minute window for cheating a couple of times. Where did that idea come from? I don ' t remember seeing it in the Atkins book. Is there some research I haven ' t heard about?
wheresmycoat
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Sat May 10, 2008 6: 32 am Post subject:
Hi Karen,
Its basic physiology and biology, made very popular by Dr. Rachael Heller in her book about Carbohydrate Addicts. I have studied human assembly and hormorne production ( insulin ) and work closely with top diabetes / pharma companies. In basic terms, people who are addicted to carbs ( i. e. recurrently anyone obese ) nurse to release more insulin than normal after eating high carb meals. This starts a cycle of massive insulin ( over ) production - - and more insulin hormone in your body makes you hungrier and actually tells the body to not only eat more ( even shortly after consuming pounds of pasta! ) and store the extra carbs as fat BUT to actually, under no circumstances, use the body ' s current fat stores as energy. Its a double whammy! [ / icon_eek. gif]
And, if you don ' t stop the over - producing insulin cycle, you continue eating and eating and eating, without ever feeling satisfied, of course, and this is the exact cycle that puts you firmly on the diabetes ( type 2 ) road of mis - managed insulin production due to ( the wrong ) diet. Please note that this cycle does not happen in every human body, just folks like us who are clinically overweight / obese from eating.
So, here is the kicker. In most of our bodies, we produce this extra production of insulin AFTER about 60 minutes of when the high carbs FIRST hit our mouths. So, its a race to beat the insulin clock!
This is why I advise if you really must eat something thats not on the diet ( or have just cheated and freak out that it ' ll turn into a 5 - day binge! ), just do so within 60 minutes ( better to do in less time, though ). Then, go back to eating high protein to immediately curb any psychological desire to eat more crap.
This is the beauty of the science. This is the reason why when you eat a normal portion of high protein / low - carb food you actually feel satisfied for a longer period of time than just eating the same size portion of pasta. It ' s because you prevented your body from producing any extra insulin, thereby preventing the fatal spike that leads to insatiable hunger. This is exactly why once you are in ketosis you generally eat quantities like a " normal " and slim person. [ / icon_cool. gif]
Coke Zero or Diet Coke...
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sposluk
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Tie Jul 09, 2008 3: 51 pm Post subject: Coke Zero or Diet Coke...
Is either okay during induction?
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Connect Jul 09, 2008 3: 53 pm Post subject:
That depends. For one thing, you ' re not really on induction dude. You ' re just eating 600 calories.
Some people are affected by artificial sweeteners.. I am not.
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I ' m going to have a hamburger tonight in between lunch and dinner... I know I ' m not eating enough, but I have to increase gradually.
KypDurron
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Copulate Jul 09, 2008 4: 05 pm Post subject:
have the hamburger, and put the yolks back in your breakfast. Atkins wants the fat so that it can start the proper fat burning way.
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Stick together Jul 09, 2008 4: 53 pm Post subject:
Diet sodas are OK - but on top of your water, not instead. Butyou should be careful with Coke - it contains caffeine, and in SOME people it may hinder weightloss.
sposluk
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Does anyone know anything about sugar free mints?
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 4: 56 pm Post subject:
Use in understanding. The less the better. They add sugar alcohols, which may hinder weightloss. If you have the bad breath problem ( often happens wih ketosis ) you will do much better to chew on real mint and / or parsley sprigs. Parsley kills all breath problems quite effectively. ( works also for garlic breath! )
KypDurron
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 5: 09 pm Post subject:
Instead of the mints, which have sugar alcohols and also fillers which contain carbs... go for the Listerine Breath Strips.
They contain only a very minimal amount of aspartame, and the cinnamon ones use splenda instead of aspartame.
Tril
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 6: 46 pm Post subject:
"... and the cinnamon ones use splenda instead of aspartame. "
Really? That ' s cool to know! Thanks!
Tril
KypDurron
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 6: 51 pm Post subject:
Yup, check it out.
http: / / www. brands2liveby. com / product. aspx? id=494 ( the cinnamon )
http: / / www. brands2liveby. com / product. aspx? id=495 ( the cool mint )
Ron Burgundy
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 8: 03 pm Post subject:
does the caffine in the coke not cause a stall???
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 8: 58 pm Post subject:
It can, for some people. Same for the aspartame in diet sodas. Some people can have it with no effect whatsoever. If you choose to have caffeine and artificial sweeteners, that ' s ok... just monitor your body ' s response carefully. Stay open to the possibility that it might not be something you can have... so if there ' s a problem, you ' ll recognize it and be willing to cut that out of your diet. Try not to introduce any other new food / drink choices at the same time, that way you ' ll know what ' s causing an issue for sure.
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Tie Jul 09, 2008 3: 51 pm Post subject: Coke Zero or Diet Coke...
Is either okay during induction?
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Connect Jul 09, 2008 3: 53 pm Post subject:
That depends. For one thing, you ' re not really on induction dude. You ' re just eating 600 calories.
Some people are affected by artificial sweeteners.. I am not.
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I ' m going to have a hamburger tonight in between lunch and dinner... I know I ' m not eating enough, but I have to increase gradually.
KypDurron
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Copulate Jul 09, 2008 4: 05 pm Post subject:
have the hamburger, and put the yolks back in your breakfast. Atkins wants the fat so that it can start the proper fat burning way.
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Stick together Jul 09, 2008 4: 53 pm Post subject:
Diet sodas are OK - but on top of your water, not instead. Butyou should be careful with Coke - it contains caffeine, and in SOME people it may hinder weightloss.
sposluk
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Pair Jul 09, 2008 4: 53 pm Post subject:
Does anyone know anything about sugar free mints?
bluehex
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 4: 56 pm Post subject:
Use in understanding. The less the better. They add sugar alcohols, which may hinder weightloss. If you have the bad breath problem ( often happens wih ketosis ) you will do much better to chew on real mint and / or parsley sprigs. Parsley kills all breath problems quite effectively. ( works also for garlic breath! )
KypDurron
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 5: 09 pm Post subject:
Instead of the mints, which have sugar alcohols and also fillers which contain carbs... go for the Listerine Breath Strips.
They contain only a very minimal amount of aspartame, and the cinnamon ones use splenda instead of aspartame.
Tril
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 6: 46 pm Post subject:
"... and the cinnamon ones use splenda instead of aspartame. "
Really? That ' s cool to know! Thanks!
Tril
KypDurron
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 6: 51 pm Post subject:
Yup, check it out.
http: / / www. brands2liveby. com / product. aspx? id=494 ( the cinnamon )
http: / / www. brands2liveby. com / product. aspx? id=495 ( the cool mint )
Ron Burgundy
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 8: 03 pm Post subject:
does the caffine in the coke not cause a stall???
Tril
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 8: 58 pm Post subject:
It can, for some people. Same for the aspartame in diet sodas. Some people can have it with no effect whatsoever. If you choose to have caffeine and artificial sweeteners, that ' s ok... just monitor your body ' s response carefully. Stay open to the possibility that it might not be something you can have... so if there ' s a problem, you ' ll recognize it and be willing to cut that out of your diet. Try not to introduce any other new food / drink choices at the same time, that way you ' ll know what ' s causing an issue for sure.
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Peanut Butter?
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sposluk
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Accompany Jul 09, 2008 4: 14 pm Post subject: Peanut Butter?
It only has 4 net carbs in 2 tbsp.
Why isn ' t it okay during induction?
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Concrete Jul 09, 2008 4: 35 pm Post subject:
Because this diet is not like a caloric restriction diet.
On just a caloric restriction diet, they tell you, hey just dont eat more than X... as long as you don ' t eat more than Muzzle, you are fulfilling the diet goals.
if you eat nothing but Ice Cream but stay under Caress, you are ok.
This is the atkins diet. The diet is formulated in induction to induce ( notice the word usage? ) to INDUCE a chemical reaction in your body that will literally start mild the fat off of you.
in·duce ( n - ds, - dys )
tr. v. in·duced, in·duc·ing, in·duc·es
1. To lead or move, as to a course of action, by leadership or persuasion. See Synonyms at persuade.
2. To bring about or stimulate the event of; cause: a drug used to induce labor.
3. To catch on by inductive reasoning.
4. Physics
a. To produce ( an electric current or a magnetic charge ) by induction.
b. To produce ( refractometry, for example ) artificially by salvo of a substance with neutrons, gamma rays, and other particles.
5. Biochemistry To initiate or increase the production of ( an enzyme or other protein ) at the level of genetic transcription.
6. Genetics To cause an increase in the transcription of the RNA of ( a gene ).
This is a chemical case, and it works. It however, can be stalled, or slowed down in the beginning when you are first kicking it into gear, by the consumption of the wrong types of carbs... starchy carbs, etc etc.
Also the carb minus fiber is an estimate. Some bodies will learn how to pull more carbs out of it even though the fiber is reducing it. The sugars in Peanut Butter are some of the sugars you need to avoid in the beginning process of induction.
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 4: 51 pm Post subject:
During Induction stage, all acceptable foods are low on glycemic index. This is to stabilize your blood sugar and insulin production. That is why you are supposed to eat mostly green leafy vegetables and absoutely no nuts or fruits are allowed.
Moreover, most peanut butters are sweetened with either sugar or, even worse, dextrose ( sort of, more concentrated sugar ). Those, even in small amounts, cause a sugar spike, because straight sugar hits your blood immediately.
KypDurron
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 5: 10 pm Post subject:
What the lady said.
Tril
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 6: 45 pm Post subject:
And white sugar has only 4. 2 grams per tsp... would you think that would alright to have based on the carb count?
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Accompany Jul 09, 2008 4: 14 pm Post subject: Peanut Butter?
It only has 4 net carbs in 2 tbsp.
Why isn ' t it okay during induction?
KypDurron
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Concrete Jul 09, 2008 4: 35 pm Post subject:
Because this diet is not like a caloric restriction diet.
On just a caloric restriction diet, they tell you, hey just dont eat more than X... as long as you don ' t eat more than Muzzle, you are fulfilling the diet goals.
if you eat nothing but Ice Cream but stay under Caress, you are ok.
This is the atkins diet. The diet is formulated in induction to induce ( notice the word usage? ) to INDUCE a chemical reaction in your body that will literally start mild the fat off of you.
in·duce ( n - ds, - dys )
tr. v. in·duced, in·duc·ing, in·duc·es
1. To lead or move, as to a course of action, by leadership or persuasion. See Synonyms at persuade.
2. To bring about or stimulate the event of; cause: a drug used to induce labor.
3. To catch on by inductive reasoning.
4. Physics
a. To produce ( an electric current or a magnetic charge ) by induction.
b. To produce ( refractometry, for example ) artificially by salvo of a substance with neutrons, gamma rays, and other particles.
5. Biochemistry To initiate or increase the production of ( an enzyme or other protein ) at the level of genetic transcription.
6. Genetics To cause an increase in the transcription of the RNA of ( a gene ).
This is a chemical case, and it works. It however, can be stalled, or slowed down in the beginning when you are first kicking it into gear, by the consumption of the wrong types of carbs... starchy carbs, etc etc.
Also the carb minus fiber is an estimate. Some bodies will learn how to pull more carbs out of it even though the fiber is reducing it. The sugars in Peanut Butter are some of the sugars you need to avoid in the beginning process of induction.
bluehex
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 4: 51 pm Post subject:
During Induction stage, all acceptable foods are low on glycemic index. This is to stabilize your blood sugar and insulin production. That is why you are supposed to eat mostly green leafy vegetables and absoutely no nuts or fruits are allowed.
Moreover, most peanut butters are sweetened with either sugar or, even worse, dextrose ( sort of, more concentrated sugar ). Those, even in small amounts, cause a sugar spike, because straight sugar hits your blood immediately.
KypDurron
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 5: 10 pm Post subject:
What the lady said.
Tril
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 6: 45 pm Post subject:
And white sugar has only 4. 2 grams per tsp... would you think that would alright to have based on the carb count?
Not hungry in the morning
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CHUBBZ
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Fri May 09, 2008 5: 03 pm Post subject: Not hungry in the morning
Hi all last year I started and lost 40lb then I lost the will power to continue since the time that I got off the diet I gained back 9lb. I ' ve been back on for a month now lost 11lb as of this morning. I know that breakfast is the most important meal but when I get up ( 6: 30am ) im not hungry till about lunch time ( 11: 30am ) once I have a bite to eat im full till I get home around 7: 00pm. I drink around 3liters of water a day. I know that after a few week your appetite decrease. Is this ok or should I have some thing in the morning.
maxomo
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Fri May 09, 2008 5: 15 pm Post subject:
I often wake up still full from supper the previous night. I still have a small breakfast to keep up my metabolism. It could be as little as just an egg or piece of cheese. I often wake up and just have a small handfull of nuts to start me off for the day. Skipping breakfast altogether is a BAD idea. You should at least have a small snack.
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Fri May 09, 2008 8: 24 pm Post subject:
Skipping breakfast works AGAINST you as you lose weight and get healthy! Your metabolism is firing up when you wake up... so its best to fuel the fire. If you don ' t, you miss a great opportunity to burn free food calories. But, that aside, on Atkins and in ketosis, it is important to eat something every few hours. Grab an egg and eat in 2 secs.... just get something in the oven to burn. Your body needs to " feel " that its getting fed regularly or else it will go into starvation mode and hold on to every last fat cell with the jaws of life... or worse, build them bigger - - making it difficult to lose any fat - - just because it thinks that its keeping you alive!!
burn, baby, burn! [ / icon_cool. gif]
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CHUBBZ
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Sat May 10, 2008 1: 20 am Post subject:
Thanks
for both coments I will start eating a boiled egg or something before I leave for work in the morning.
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Fri May 09, 2008 5: 03 pm Post subject: Not hungry in the morning
Hi all last year I started and lost 40lb then I lost the will power to continue since the time that I got off the diet I gained back 9lb. I ' ve been back on for a month now lost 11lb as of this morning. I know that breakfast is the most important meal but when I get up ( 6: 30am ) im not hungry till about lunch time ( 11: 30am ) once I have a bite to eat im full till I get home around 7: 00pm. I drink around 3liters of water a day. I know that after a few week your appetite decrease. Is this ok or should I have some thing in the morning.
maxomo
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Fri May 09, 2008 5: 15 pm Post subject:
I often wake up still full from supper the previous night. I still have a small breakfast to keep up my metabolism. It could be as little as just an egg or piece of cheese. I often wake up and just have a small handfull of nuts to start me off for the day. Skipping breakfast altogether is a BAD idea. You should at least have a small snack.
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Fri May 09, 2008 8: 24 pm Post subject:
Skipping breakfast works AGAINST you as you lose weight and get healthy! Your metabolism is firing up when you wake up... so its best to fuel the fire. If you don ' t, you miss a great opportunity to burn free food calories. But, that aside, on Atkins and in ketosis, it is important to eat something every few hours. Grab an egg and eat in 2 secs.... just get something in the oven to burn. Your body needs to " feel " that its getting fed regularly or else it will go into starvation mode and hold on to every last fat cell with the jaws of life... or worse, build them bigger - - making it difficult to lose any fat - - just because it thinks that its keeping you alive!!
burn, baby, burn! [ / icon_cool. gif]
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CHUBBZ
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Sat May 10, 2008 1: 20 am Post subject:
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for both coments I will start eating a boiled egg or something before I leave for work in the morning.
crazy binge
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treacletart
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Connect Jul 09, 2008 6: 25 am Post subject: crazy binge
I did a bad thing last night. I have been doing atkins religiously for the last 2. 5 weeks and have been losing weight. However, last night, after a sensible supper, I ate the following:
1 tube of wine gums
2x squares of dark chocolate
2x rollo cookies
2x minis swab cakes
What have I done?
I am mortified and am back on the plan but can ' t envisage what damage I must have done. I am obviously out of Ketosis now.
The shame. The strange things is, I have not been hungry on Atkins at all. For some reason I needed to put something sugary in my mouth - something DIFFERENT. I didn ' t leave me feeling satisfied anyway, just disappointed with myself
bluehex
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Associate Jul 09, 2008 6: 31 am Post subject:
Don ' t worriment about it. What ' s done is done. Just hop back on the wagon, you should be back in ketosis in a few days.
Tril
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Clamp Jul 09, 2008 10: 48 am Post subject:
Just be extra viligent over the next several days... you may have set off a chemical chain reaction that will cause bad cravings. Resist them and do NOT give in or it only gets worse. This is how people " fall off the wagon ". Having an " incident " like yours and then not forcing themselves back into control... leading to days and weeks of carb feasting. Just keep in mind the absolute importance of not giving in again. You ' ll pop back into ketosis and this will be just a memory soon.
I wish I could take your feelings of shame away. Isn ' t it counter intuitive that a person would feel shame over a food choice? I mean, eating isn ' t WRONG... even eating sugar isn ' t WRONG. But I certainly understand the shame part. Heck, I wish I could get rid of it in myself, too. Just the other day I told dh that JUST ONCE IN MY ADULT LIFE I ' d like to eat an ice cream sundae ( we were watching a Sonic commercial ) and not feel anything but pleasure. I ' ve never done that. The bad feelings about eating it has always been 10X stronger than any pleasure I got from eating ice cream... which is my favorite thing in the world to eat. How sad is that?
So... I look forward to reading that you ' ve got things under control and your weight loss has continued!!! [ / icon_smile. gif]
Tril
treacletart
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 12: 33 pm Post subject:
Thanks ladies. I am most definitely getting straight back on track. I wish I could capture the feeling of regret and then recall it before i do something stupid like last night. If I remembered how disappointed I felt after falling off the wagon I am sure I wouldn ' t do it.
I just hope I haven ' t put any weight on! That really would be a killer. My jeans are really loose at the moment and it has made me so happy.
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 12: 39 pm Post subject:
If you have gained, it will come off again. Nothing is ever permanent... not wt gain and not wt loss. [ / icon_wink. gif] It ' s a constant battle to balance the two.
If you did gain a pound or two, it ' s likely to be mostly water anyway... because it takes water to store glycogen in the liver and tissues. Once you use up that glycogen ( stored glucose made from the carbs ), the water will be excreted.
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 1: 14 pm Post subject:
A little extra exercise for the next two days will help too. It will burn out the nasties faster, plus give you a bit of a a feeling of control over your slipup.
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 1: 18 pm Post subject:
Exercise is a good suggestion... it will use up the glucose / glycogen which will speed up your return to ketosis.
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Connect Jul 09, 2008 6: 25 am Post subject: crazy binge
I did a bad thing last night. I have been doing atkins religiously for the last 2. 5 weeks and have been losing weight. However, last night, after a sensible supper, I ate the following:
1 tube of wine gums
2x squares of dark chocolate
2x rollo cookies
2x minis swab cakes
What have I done?
I am mortified and am back on the plan but can ' t envisage what damage I must have done. I am obviously out of Ketosis now.
The shame. The strange things is, I have not been hungry on Atkins at all. For some reason I needed to put something sugary in my mouth - something DIFFERENT. I didn ' t leave me feeling satisfied anyway, just disappointed with myself
bluehex
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Associate Jul 09, 2008 6: 31 am Post subject:
Don ' t worriment about it. What ' s done is done. Just hop back on the wagon, you should be back in ketosis in a few days.
Tril
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Clamp Jul 09, 2008 10: 48 am Post subject:
Just be extra viligent over the next several days... you may have set off a chemical chain reaction that will cause bad cravings. Resist them and do NOT give in or it only gets worse. This is how people " fall off the wagon ". Having an " incident " like yours and then not forcing themselves back into control... leading to days and weeks of carb feasting. Just keep in mind the absolute importance of not giving in again. You ' ll pop back into ketosis and this will be just a memory soon.
I wish I could take your feelings of shame away. Isn ' t it counter intuitive that a person would feel shame over a food choice? I mean, eating isn ' t WRONG... even eating sugar isn ' t WRONG. But I certainly understand the shame part. Heck, I wish I could get rid of it in myself, too. Just the other day I told dh that JUST ONCE IN MY ADULT LIFE I ' d like to eat an ice cream sundae ( we were watching a Sonic commercial ) and not feel anything but pleasure. I ' ve never done that. The bad feelings about eating it has always been 10X stronger than any pleasure I got from eating ice cream... which is my favorite thing in the world to eat. How sad is that?
So... I look forward to reading that you ' ve got things under control and your weight loss has continued!!! [ / icon_smile. gif]
Tril
treacletart
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 12: 33 pm Post subject:
Thanks ladies. I am most definitely getting straight back on track. I wish I could capture the feeling of regret and then recall it before i do something stupid like last night. If I remembered how disappointed I felt after falling off the wagon I am sure I wouldn ' t do it.
I just hope I haven ' t put any weight on! That really would be a killer. My jeans are really loose at the moment and it has made me so happy.
Tril
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 12: 39 pm Post subject:
If you have gained, it will come off again. Nothing is ever permanent... not wt gain and not wt loss. [ / icon_wink. gif] It ' s a constant battle to balance the two.
If you did gain a pound or two, it ' s likely to be mostly water anyway... because it takes water to store glycogen in the liver and tissues. Once you use up that glycogen ( stored glucose made from the carbs ), the water will be excreted.
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 1: 14 pm Post subject:
A little extra exercise for the next two days will help too. It will burn out the nasties faster, plus give you a bit of a a feeling of control over your slipup.
Tril
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 1: 18 pm Post subject:
Exercise is a good suggestion... it will use up the glucose / glycogen which will speed up your return to ketosis.
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 6: 58 pm Post subject: unbearable craving.: (
Im doing something wrong. All the sudden, after three weeks of doing this, Im getting unbearable cravings. I abstained from the cake at my sons birthday party. I avoided the carbs at not one, but two scatter of july parties. For three weeks, I cant say Ive really had horrible cravings. Now, Im about ready to throw in the towel and dive into a big bowl of fettucini alfredo with garlic bread followed by some cake and icecream. [ / icon_eek. gif]
I thought the cravings were supposed to go away, not get worse.
What would be causeing the cravings to come back. Over the weekend I was a little more free with the Diet Coke, but Ive cut it back out. I ' ve also had some of the ATkins bars for snacks or breakfast. Ive started taking a multivitamin. those are the only things that I can see that have changed.
I just havent seen the waitloss to really talk myself out of breaking the diet. Ive lost about 15 lbs. But ive done that a hundered times before.
Also, if i do give in and " take a break " from the diet, then get back into it, what are the reprecusions? I dont think i could gain ALL the wait back. I assume i would be kicked out of ketosis and would have to get back in. What else would happen?
I know. Im a wimp. Any help would be great.
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 7: 02 pm Post subject:
Anything that tastes sweet can trick your body into thinking it ' s getting sugar and trigger cravings. It doesn ' t happen for everyone, but it could be the diet soda, or more likely, the Atkins bars. Those are best left to later stages of Atkins.
For the next week, try to eat only fresh vegetables, water, and lots of unprocessed protein and healthy fats. Drop all distilled foods. Be sure to eat your 3 cups of salad vegetables OR your 2 cups of salad vegetables and one cup of other vegetables.
That should reestablish your Induction metabolism. If you incline you want to have an Atkins bar, have it only once a week or so. Better to cease though, during Induction.
Yes, if you " take a break " from the diet, you could definitely gain all the weight back and more. It depends on how long you take a break and how badly you go off of it.
Hang in there! You don ' t want to undo all the good you ' ve done for yourself!
KypDurron
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 7: 11 pm Post subject:
The atkins bars themselves are most likely at least partly to blame for the craving feeling.
They are very sweet, and in my personal opinion, to be avoided.
Also, if you read into his books, you will see that he addresses the actuality that no matter how much the physical cravings will wither, you will always have the mental cravings that will need to be controlled by turning to the foods you CAN have...
I fall into that mess. I don ' t have a metabolic disorder, or an insulin problem. I just eat and eat and eat and eat.
I once at 45 ice cream sandwiches. thats no drivel. Ive eaten entire tubs of ice cream without a stop. When i was a kid, i used to grab a book and the 2 lb blocks of sliced american cheese and read the whole hardy boy book while munching slice after slice.
Pies? no problem. Dairy Queen in position? Hell yeah, think I ' ll buy a cake on the way home.
You may very well be confusing a physical craving with a mental craving. If you give in, no you will not gain ALL the weight back... in the short term. But quit.. and you ' ll see it all, plus more. Plus abandoning atkins can sometimes make it harder to get back on.
Make deviled eggs... and get some Durkey ' s to put in it. It ' s a bit sweet, and with the paprika as well, will make a heck of a snack.
naescyra
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 7: 19 pm Post subject:
thanks for advice.
i was actually just concidering taking one night off, one meal. Not really more than that. I know this is working, so i would go right back to it.
I cant really singular what im trying to say. I ' ve lived so long on comfort foods, I feel like i need just a moment of comfort to bear on.
Maybe that will help explain it.
KypDurron
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 7: 44 pm Post subject:
it explains it, but it doesn ' t excuse it, and to be honest, its indicative of the reason why you and I and others need the diet.
The inability to eat properly is the reason we are overweight. What finally saved me was the realization that it ' s just food. It ' s just a silly arse little stupid crutch that we use for 10 publication to make us feel better about our life.
If you get honest with yourself you ' ll realize that a piece of key lime pie isn ' t going to do banknote crap for your life.
Losing all the fat from your body will. You can ' t do atkins by dance off every few weeks. You gotta stick to your guns and jam it out. The forged sweet atkins stuff has to be saved for AFTER you don ' t crave it.
Not after the diet says maybe you can put it back in, but after YOU don ' t need it. If you still NEED it, you shouldn ' t touch it, because it will crush you.
I tried those bars... they kicked my butt. They tossed me out of ketosis, they sent me running for the low carb ice cream... which sent me running for more things.
They suck.
KypDurron
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 7: 46 pm Post subject:
Besides lets not bullcrap.
When has it ever been " one night off " for any of us on any of the diets we ' ve tried. For people with eating problems there is no such thing as one night off. That ' s just our convincing ourselves that cheating is ok and fixable.
Cheating yourself is not productive.
karenjs
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 8: 15 pm Post subject:
I think many of us were raised to think of food as comfort. That idea makes it difficult for us to lose weight and keep it off.
When I was a kid, if I came home from school crying because I was teased, my mom offered me a warm oatmeal raisin cookie or a gooey chocolate chip cookie.
What kept me company after my divorce? Chocolate mint ice cream and cheetos.
We used food to entertain and reward ourselves, and to reduce anxiety and depression. It ' s a tough habit to break.
We have an almost - two - year - old at home. He has trouble dealing with his emotions and he demands instant gratification - - just like our overweight selves. When I ' m out shopping with him, I ' m tempted to give him treats to keep him content. It ' s more work to talk to him, entertain him and deal with the issues that come up. I think it ' s worthwhile to develop those healthy habits though. I don ' t want him turning to food for comfort for the rest of his life and I don ' t want that for myself either.
So now, if I feel down, I go out and get some fresh air or try a new activity. If I feel anxious, I try to identify what it is that is bothering me and face it head on. If I ' m lonely, I seek out a loved one.
High carb food is a bad friend. It gives you a quick pat on the back and then sticks around to suck the life out of you.
Take Off Pounds Sensibly ( TOPS ) is a non - profit weight loss support group. At the beginning of each meeting, the group stands and recites this:
I am an intelligent person.
I will control my emotions and not let my emotions control me.
Every time I am tempted to use food to satisfy my frustrated desires,
build up my injured ego or dull my senses, I will remember.
Even though I overeat in private my excess poundage is there for all the world to see.
I will take off pounds sensibly.
( Another variation of the last line is: " How foolish I have been. " )
The Atkins way of eating works for me. It makes me healthy, energetic and looking good. I ' m not willing to trade that for a high carb quick fix.
Tril
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 9: 16 pm Post subject:
Like the others, I agree that the Atkins bars have to go. They frequently cause cravings in people. I think there ' s something else at work here, though. I think you felt / feel deprived because you didn ' t indulge with everyone else at your son ' s b ' day party and the two 4th of July parties. I often have MORE problem staying on plan the days AFTER an event than I ever do while actually doing well at a party or get together. It ' s like I let my guard down afterward. I don ' t feel like I " deserve it "... I just feel like I ' ve used up all of my " say no " ability. I have to be very careful in the days after a difficult eating situation. Maybe you ' re feeling something similar??
One little trick I use on myself when I ' m feeling like you are and you just want ONE meal to eat the foods you miss and you SHOULD be able to do that cuz everyone ELSE can, yada yada yada.... is I tell myself if I really and honestly want an off plan food I can have it. I give myself permission to eat it. No one is telling me I can ' t. No one would even know unless I told them. I can eat anything I want. So... do I really want it? Or is there something else going on and it ' s really NOT about the food?? Is it feeling deprived? Lonely? Sad? Discouraged because even tho you ' re following the plan you ' ve stopped losing so what ' s the POINT?!? Did anything ring a bell?
Weight loss doesn ' t happen just on / in your body... it happens between your ears. Probably 90 % of weight loss is mental... the rest is biological. If you don ' t deal with what makes you overeat and choose unhealthy foods you won ' t have dealt with what got you overweight, so keeping it off ( if you get it off ) is going to be almost impossible. Now is the time to figure this stuff out. It will help you get to goal and it will help you stay there. Take the time to reflect and consider your weight history... the answers are there if you look hard enough.
Tril
naescyra
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 12: 15 am Post subject:
ok, ok. i got the point. [ / icon_smile. gif]
for dinner we made grilled chicken smothered in homemade alfredo sauce, with a side of sauted mushrooms, onions, and brussle sprout halves. we ended up mixing it all together because it was good that way. lol. At least it made me feel like i was cheating the diet a bit.
anyway, that seemed to satisfy my craving for today, though it might have been on the high end of the carbs for the day. Only other carbs ive had today were some onions with my eggs this morning. Regardless, going over a few carb points is better than going and getting a cake and Ben & Jerry ' s from walmart and then diving in.
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 6: 58 pm Post subject: unbearable craving.: (
Im doing something wrong. All the sudden, after three weeks of doing this, Im getting unbearable cravings. I abstained from the cake at my sons birthday party. I avoided the carbs at not one, but two scatter of july parties. For three weeks, I cant say Ive really had horrible cravings. Now, Im about ready to throw in the towel and dive into a big bowl of fettucini alfredo with garlic bread followed by some cake and icecream. [ / icon_eek. gif]
I thought the cravings were supposed to go away, not get worse.
What would be causeing the cravings to come back. Over the weekend I was a little more free with the Diet Coke, but Ive cut it back out. I ' ve also had some of the ATkins bars for snacks or breakfast. Ive started taking a multivitamin. those are the only things that I can see that have changed.
I just havent seen the waitloss to really talk myself out of breaking the diet. Ive lost about 15 lbs. But ive done that a hundered times before.
Also, if i do give in and " take a break " from the diet, then get back into it, what are the reprecusions? I dont think i could gain ALL the wait back. I assume i would be kicked out of ketosis and would have to get back in. What else would happen?
I know. Im a wimp. Any help would be great.
karenjs
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Joined: 03 Jan 2008
Posts: 544
Footing: San Jose
Tue Jul 08, 2008 7: 02 pm Post subject:
Anything that tastes sweet can trick your body into thinking it ' s getting sugar and trigger cravings. It doesn ' t happen for everyone, but it could be the diet soda, or more likely, the Atkins bars. Those are best left to later stages of Atkins.
For the next week, try to eat only fresh vegetables, water, and lots of unprocessed protein and healthy fats. Drop all distilled foods. Be sure to eat your 3 cups of salad vegetables OR your 2 cups of salad vegetables and one cup of other vegetables.
That should reestablish your Induction metabolism. If you incline you want to have an Atkins bar, have it only once a week or so. Better to cease though, during Induction.
Yes, if you " take a break " from the diet, you could definitely gain all the weight back and more. It depends on how long you take a break and how badly you go off of it.
Hang in there! You don ' t want to undo all the good you ' ve done for yourself!
KypDurron
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Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Posts: 427
Latitude: Wisconsin
Tue Jul 08, 2008 7: 11 pm Post subject:
The atkins bars themselves are most likely at least partly to blame for the craving feeling.
They are very sweet, and in my personal opinion, to be avoided.
Also, if you read into his books, you will see that he addresses the actuality that no matter how much the physical cravings will wither, you will always have the mental cravings that will need to be controlled by turning to the foods you CAN have...
I fall into that mess. I don ' t have a metabolic disorder, or an insulin problem. I just eat and eat and eat and eat.
I once at 45 ice cream sandwiches. thats no drivel. Ive eaten entire tubs of ice cream without a stop. When i was a kid, i used to grab a book and the 2 lb blocks of sliced american cheese and read the whole hardy boy book while munching slice after slice.
Pies? no problem. Dairy Queen in position? Hell yeah, think I ' ll buy a cake on the way home.
You may very well be confusing a physical craving with a mental craving. If you give in, no you will not gain ALL the weight back... in the short term. But quit.. and you ' ll see it all, plus more. Plus abandoning atkins can sometimes make it harder to get back on.
Make deviled eggs... and get some Durkey ' s to put in it. It ' s a bit sweet, and with the paprika as well, will make a heck of a snack.
naescyra
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Tue Jul 08, 2008 7: 19 pm Post subject:
thanks for advice.
i was actually just concidering taking one night off, one meal. Not really more than that. I know this is working, so i would go right back to it.
I cant really singular what im trying to say. I ' ve lived so long on comfort foods, I feel like i need just a moment of comfort to bear on.
Maybe that will help explain it.
KypDurron
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Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Posts: 427
Location: Wisconsin
Tue Jul 08, 2008 7: 44 pm Post subject:
it explains it, but it doesn ' t excuse it, and to be honest, its indicative of the reason why you and I and others need the diet.
The inability to eat properly is the reason we are overweight. What finally saved me was the realization that it ' s just food. It ' s just a silly arse little stupid crutch that we use for 10 publication to make us feel better about our life.
If you get honest with yourself you ' ll realize that a piece of key lime pie isn ' t going to do banknote crap for your life.
Losing all the fat from your body will. You can ' t do atkins by dance off every few weeks. You gotta stick to your guns and jam it out. The forged sweet atkins stuff has to be saved for AFTER you don ' t crave it.
Not after the diet says maybe you can put it back in, but after YOU don ' t need it. If you still NEED it, you shouldn ' t touch it, because it will crush you.
I tried those bars... they kicked my butt. They tossed me out of ketosis, they sent me running for the low carb ice cream... which sent me running for more things.
They suck.
KypDurron
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Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Posts: 427
Location: Wisconsin
Tue Jul 08, 2008 7: 46 pm Post subject:
Besides lets not bullcrap.
When has it ever been " one night off " for any of us on any of the diets we ' ve tried. For people with eating problems there is no such thing as one night off. That ' s just our convincing ourselves that cheating is ok and fixable.
Cheating yourself is not productive.
karenjs
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Joined: 03 Jan 2008
Posts: 544
Location: San Jose
Tue Jul 08, 2008 8: 15 pm Post subject:
I think many of us were raised to think of food as comfort. That idea makes it difficult for us to lose weight and keep it off.
When I was a kid, if I came home from school crying because I was teased, my mom offered me a warm oatmeal raisin cookie or a gooey chocolate chip cookie.
What kept me company after my divorce? Chocolate mint ice cream and cheetos.
We used food to entertain and reward ourselves, and to reduce anxiety and depression. It ' s a tough habit to break.
We have an almost - two - year - old at home. He has trouble dealing with his emotions and he demands instant gratification - - just like our overweight selves. When I ' m out shopping with him, I ' m tempted to give him treats to keep him content. It ' s more work to talk to him, entertain him and deal with the issues that come up. I think it ' s worthwhile to develop those healthy habits though. I don ' t want him turning to food for comfort for the rest of his life and I don ' t want that for myself either.
So now, if I feel down, I go out and get some fresh air or try a new activity. If I feel anxious, I try to identify what it is that is bothering me and face it head on. If I ' m lonely, I seek out a loved one.
High carb food is a bad friend. It gives you a quick pat on the back and then sticks around to suck the life out of you.
Take Off Pounds Sensibly ( TOPS ) is a non - profit weight loss support group. At the beginning of each meeting, the group stands and recites this:
I am an intelligent person.
I will control my emotions and not let my emotions control me.
Every time I am tempted to use food to satisfy my frustrated desires,
build up my injured ego or dull my senses, I will remember.
Even though I overeat in private my excess poundage is there for all the world to see.
I will take off pounds sensibly.
( Another variation of the last line is: " How foolish I have been. " )
The Atkins way of eating works for me. It makes me healthy, energetic and looking good. I ' m not willing to trade that for a high carb quick fix.
Tril
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Joined: 27 May 2008
Posts: 1325
Location: ( very ) Northeastern USA
Tue Jul 08, 2008 9: 16 pm Post subject:
Like the others, I agree that the Atkins bars have to go. They frequently cause cravings in people. I think there ' s something else at work here, though. I think you felt / feel deprived because you didn ' t indulge with everyone else at your son ' s b ' day party and the two 4th of July parties. I often have MORE problem staying on plan the days AFTER an event than I ever do while actually doing well at a party or get together. It ' s like I let my guard down afterward. I don ' t feel like I " deserve it "... I just feel like I ' ve used up all of my " say no " ability. I have to be very careful in the days after a difficult eating situation. Maybe you ' re feeling something similar??
One little trick I use on myself when I ' m feeling like you are and you just want ONE meal to eat the foods you miss and you SHOULD be able to do that cuz everyone ELSE can, yada yada yada.... is I tell myself if I really and honestly want an off plan food I can have it. I give myself permission to eat it. No one is telling me I can ' t. No one would even know unless I told them. I can eat anything I want. So... do I really want it? Or is there something else going on and it ' s really NOT about the food?? Is it feeling deprived? Lonely? Sad? Discouraged because even tho you ' re following the plan you ' ve stopped losing so what ' s the POINT?!? Did anything ring a bell?
Weight loss doesn ' t happen just on / in your body... it happens between your ears. Probably 90 % of weight loss is mental... the rest is biological. If you don ' t deal with what makes you overeat and choose unhealthy foods you won ' t have dealt with what got you overweight, so keeping it off ( if you get it off ) is going to be almost impossible. Now is the time to figure this stuff out. It will help you get to goal and it will help you stay there. Take the time to reflect and consider your weight history... the answers are there if you look hard enough.
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naescyra
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Wed Jul 09, 2008 12: 15 am Post subject:
ok, ok. i got the point. [ / icon_smile. gif]
for dinner we made grilled chicken smothered in homemade alfredo sauce, with a side of sauted mushrooms, onions, and brussle sprout halves. we ended up mixing it all together because it was good that way. lol. At least it made me feel like i was cheating the diet a bit.
anyway, that seemed to satisfy my craving for today, though it might have been on the high end of the carbs for the day. Only other carbs ive had today were some onions with my eggs this morning. Regardless, going over a few carb points is better than going and getting a cake and Ben & Jerry ' s from walmart and then diving in.
Help!!!!, I think I hit a Plateau
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page104
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Joined: 28 Jan 2008
Posts: 48
Fri May 09, 2008 2: 41 pm Post subject: Help!!!!, I think I hit a Plateau
Can anyone please HELP!!.
I ' ve been at the same weight for about three weeks. I am following the induction which I have been doing since Jan. 14, 2008.
I go next the plan to a T. I work at the gym 45 min. a day 4 - 5 times a week. I drink about 2 1 / 2 liters of water a day.
I ' m very sad today. Mother ' s Day this weekend, and I don ' t want to do anything I will regret.
Someone Please help!!!!!
maxomo
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Joined: 09 Jan 2008
Posts: 19
Location: Fredericton, NB
Fri May 09, 2008 5: 22 pm Post subject:
ok two suggesttions.
1. You could be losing inches and not weight. All that workout builds muscles and that may counterbalance fat loss. People in the forums often report that weight loss goes in alternating stages of losing weight for a few weeks and then losing just inches the next few weeks.
2. If you have been following induction for a long time it may help to introduce some extra carbs to get a higher metabolism. Just add an extra 5 to 10 grams a day for a week or two and see how that goes. It ' s best to add a little at a time so you can tell what amount works best for you.
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page104
Hackneyed Member
Joined: 28 Jan 2008
Posts: 48
Fri May 09, 2008 2: 41 pm Post subject: Help!!!!, I think I hit a Plateau
Can anyone please HELP!!.
I ' ve been at the same weight for about three weeks. I am following the induction which I have been doing since Jan. 14, 2008.
I go next the plan to a T. I work at the gym 45 min. a day 4 - 5 times a week. I drink about 2 1 / 2 liters of water a day.
I ' m very sad today. Mother ' s Day this weekend, and I don ' t want to do anything I will regret.
Someone Please help!!!!!
maxomo
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Joined: 09 Jan 2008
Posts: 19
Location: Fredericton, NB
Fri May 09, 2008 5: 22 pm Post subject:
ok two suggesttions.
1. You could be losing inches and not weight. All that workout builds muscles and that may counterbalance fat loss. People in the forums often report that weight loss goes in alternating stages of losing weight for a few weeks and then losing just inches the next few weeks.
2. If you have been following induction for a long time it may help to introduce some extra carbs to get a higher metabolism. Just add an extra 5 to 10 grams a day for a week or two and see how that goes. It ' s best to add a little at a time so you can tell what amount works best for you.
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