Sugarless and aspartame free gum
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Cory_T
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 9: 35 pm Post subject: Sugarless and aspartame free gum
I ' ve been searching for apartame free gum for fully some time here in the UK and haven ' t been able to find any on the store shelves.
I did some research online and have since ordered a couple boxes of gum from a company called ElimiTaste, based in the US, that produces gum nectareous with Xylitol ( a sugar alcohol ) rather than aspartame. ( Google it to find the website )
It works out to be a bit more expensive than the stuff in the store, but have to say that I am happy with my purchase and would recommend it. I ordered the Zapp Electromint and Smoke - screen Insane Maxx Mint flavours. Luckily they have free shipping on all orders ( including international ).
PS - if anyone knows of any aspartame free gum you can buy from the shops in the UK please let me know. I am having a hard time finding any sucralose sweetened products here, hasn ' t seemed to have caught on well.
Oct 14, 2008
When do we move to OWL?
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arsieiuni
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Append Jul 30, 2008 6: 54 am Post subject: When do we move to OWL?
I got the Atkins book today and I ' m reading it. ( Dr Atkins ' New Diet Revolution ) and it seems like he means us to only be on Induction for 2 weeks no matter how much weight we need to lose and then we go to OWL. is that true?
Am I misunderstanding?
I have been on induction for 2 weeks plus now. Should I move to OWL or should I stay on Induction?
A possible key note in the answer is that I want to lose my weight more than I want to retrieve the bent to eat different foods. My weight loss is top priority!
But I need to know this because I don ' t wanna hurt myself but being on Induction too long.
Just a clarification please!
Thanks!
Shei
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Annex Jul 30, 2008 10: 54 am Post subject:
The diet was designed so that Induction was only 2 weeks long... long enough to INDUCE ketosis in most people and time enough for an encouraging weight loss, inasmuch as the name Induction. However, keep reading and you ' ll see that he says it ' s ok to continue in Induction longer if you want. He also says in there that you shouldn ' t stay in Induction past the 1 / 2 way mark to goal. At that point you move into OWL and start to learn to eat different carbs... and prepare yourself / body for Pre - Maintenance... which prepares you for Maintenance. His plan / diet is designed so if you succeed the steps, you ' ll have the learning and skills to KEEP IT OFF. If you come screeching into your goal weight at Induction level what will you do? Live this way boundless? Try to figure it out then? That ' s kinda like getting a job as a captain and then taking flying lessons. [ / icon_rolleyes. gif] OWL and P - M are important steps to take. Avoiding them will only hurt you in the long run. Yes, maybe you ' d get " skinny " faster on 20 carbs a day... but the chances are not in your favor that you ' ve learned how to keep it off. Try to look at your weight loss journey as the time to learn how to live thin. It ' s not just the time to GET thin...
Tril
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 1: 54 pm Post subject:
I ' d like to add that staying on induction for X period of time isn ' t going to PHYSICALLY hurt you, more that what the point is that for most people stepping off induction is something they need to do in the prepared phases in order to train themselves how to live atkins as a sustainable lifestyle.
It ' s not physically dangerous to be on induction for a month or so or three... if it were, rest assured there would be no Atkins diet, and his wikipedia page would be a testimony to the deaths he caused. No. theres nothing unsafe about being on induction for more than 2 weeks, I would not be concerned.
Last time I stayed on it for the first 70 lbs of my weight loss, then chipped away at the last 40 or so a bit more slowly in OWLS. That took me several months.
arsieiuni
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 4: 40 pm Post subject:
Thanks guys!
Seeing as I have 112 left to lose, I should stay on Induction longer, right? I would probably stay til I have only 50 left or so? Right?
Thanks for always being here for me with answers! I just wanted to make sure I was doing the right thing right now!
Shei
KypDurron
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 5: 31 pm Post subject:
I think the 50 percent number is bs. Considering most people lose about 1 lb or so a week in OWL, I would PERSONALLY take induction until you had about 25 or so lbs left to lose.
Stepping off induction with 55 lbs left to lose means an entire year of 1lb a week.
For my personal opinion, a year of being still 50 lbs over target goal is extreme. I always modified it to be about 70 percent or so before I started modifying my diet.
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Append Jul 30, 2008 6: 54 am Post subject: When do we move to OWL?
I got the Atkins book today and I ' m reading it. ( Dr Atkins ' New Diet Revolution ) and it seems like he means us to only be on Induction for 2 weeks no matter how much weight we need to lose and then we go to OWL. is that true?
Am I misunderstanding?
I have been on induction for 2 weeks plus now. Should I move to OWL or should I stay on Induction?
A possible key note in the answer is that I want to lose my weight more than I want to retrieve the bent to eat different foods. My weight loss is top priority!
But I need to know this because I don ' t wanna hurt myself but being on Induction too long.
Just a clarification please!
Thanks!
Shei
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Annex Jul 30, 2008 10: 54 am Post subject:
The diet was designed so that Induction was only 2 weeks long... long enough to INDUCE ketosis in most people and time enough for an encouraging weight loss, inasmuch as the name Induction. However, keep reading and you ' ll see that he says it ' s ok to continue in Induction longer if you want. He also says in there that you shouldn ' t stay in Induction past the 1 / 2 way mark to goal. At that point you move into OWL and start to learn to eat different carbs... and prepare yourself / body for Pre - Maintenance... which prepares you for Maintenance. His plan / diet is designed so if you succeed the steps, you ' ll have the learning and skills to KEEP IT OFF. If you come screeching into your goal weight at Induction level what will you do? Live this way boundless? Try to figure it out then? That ' s kinda like getting a job as a captain and then taking flying lessons. [ / icon_rolleyes. gif] OWL and P - M are important steps to take. Avoiding them will only hurt you in the long run. Yes, maybe you ' d get " skinny " faster on 20 carbs a day... but the chances are not in your favor that you ' ve learned how to keep it off. Try to look at your weight loss journey as the time to learn how to live thin. It ' s not just the time to GET thin...
Tril
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 1: 54 pm Post subject:
I ' d like to add that staying on induction for X period of time isn ' t going to PHYSICALLY hurt you, more that what the point is that for most people stepping off induction is something they need to do in the prepared phases in order to train themselves how to live atkins as a sustainable lifestyle.
It ' s not physically dangerous to be on induction for a month or so or three... if it were, rest assured there would be no Atkins diet, and his wikipedia page would be a testimony to the deaths he caused. No. theres nothing unsafe about being on induction for more than 2 weeks, I would not be concerned.
Last time I stayed on it for the first 70 lbs of my weight loss, then chipped away at the last 40 or so a bit more slowly in OWLS. That took me several months.
arsieiuni
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 4: 40 pm Post subject:
Thanks guys!
Seeing as I have 112 left to lose, I should stay on Induction longer, right? I would probably stay til I have only 50 left or so? Right?
Thanks for always being here for me with answers! I just wanted to make sure I was doing the right thing right now!
Shei
KypDurron
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 5: 31 pm Post subject:
I think the 50 percent number is bs. Considering most people lose about 1 lb or so a week in OWL, I would PERSONALLY take induction until you had about 25 or so lbs left to lose.
Stepping off induction with 55 lbs left to lose means an entire year of 1lb a week.
For my personal opinion, a year of being still 50 lbs over target goal is extreme. I always modified it to be about 70 percent or so before I started modifying my diet.
Dreamfields Pasta
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 7: 16 pm Post subject: Dreamfields Pasta
Has anyone tried this pasta and noticed a difference in their weightloss while eating it. I love the pasta ( it is so delicious ) but every time I eat it I notice I seem to stall even though there are only 5 digestable carbs per serving.
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 7: 16 pm Post subject: Dreamfields Pasta
Has anyone tried this pasta and noticed a difference in their weightloss while eating it. I love the pasta ( it is so delicious ) but every time I eat it I notice I seem to stall even though there are only 5 digestable carbs per serving.
seltzer water
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Fri May 30, 2008 1: 25 am Post subject: seltzer water
I ' ve discovered this has almost rid my craving for something other than water when i ' m eating. I can drink water all day long but when it is time for a meal, I really want something else, but I am avoiding artificial sweeteners and ice tea and really... anything but water. I dont have a scale and I don ' t have ketostix so I was wondering what people have found with drinking this. zero calories, no sodium no anything.
I ' m just happy it curves my craving for something soda like or milk or tea when I ' m eating a meal.
I don ' t even know what my starting weight is but I started Monday the 26th.
i am going to try to go by purely comments from peers that don ' t see me often, and the way my clothes fit.
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Fri May 30, 2008 11: 16 am Post subject:
I have to tell you, that ' s the only water I drink. For some reason just plain water makes my stomach feel a bit upset, it always has. At my grocery store I can get a 12 pack of sparkling water. It has no added anything, just carbonated water. I ' ve been drinking it for years, and since I ' ve started Atkins in February and I ' ve lost over 30 pounds so far. So, that ' s just my opinion, I think it ' s fine to drink.
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Fri May 30, 2008 1: 25 am Post subject: seltzer water
I ' ve discovered this has almost rid my craving for something other than water when i ' m eating. I can drink water all day long but when it is time for a meal, I really want something else, but I am avoiding artificial sweeteners and ice tea and really... anything but water. I dont have a scale and I don ' t have ketostix so I was wondering what people have found with drinking this. zero calories, no sodium no anything.
I ' m just happy it curves my craving for something soda like or milk or tea when I ' m eating a meal.
I don ' t even know what my starting weight is but I started Monday the 26th.
i am going to try to go by purely comments from peers that don ' t see me often, and the way my clothes fit.
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Fri May 30, 2008 11: 16 am Post subject:
I have to tell you, that ' s the only water I drink. For some reason just plain water makes my stomach feel a bit upset, it always has. At my grocery store I can get a 12 pack of sparkling water. It has no added anything, just carbonated water. I ' ve been drinking it for years, and since I ' ve started Atkins in February and I ' ve lost over 30 pounds so far. So, that ' s just my opinion, I think it ' s fine to drink.
Loss of Appetite = Danger?
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arsieiuni
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 1: 31 am Post subject: Loss of Appetite = Danger?
Hi again all...
I have a serious question...
This is kinda preemptive but I wanna make sure...
I ' m seriously losing my appetite as I go further with this.
I ' m feeling like I don ' t want to eat most of the time...
Maybe I ' m just used to feeling like I DO want to eat most of the time and it ' s weird to me that I don ' t have that kind of cravings right now?
Or maybe it ' s because of the swap in my diet from largely no meat to largely all meat making me feel blah about my options?
But all in all... I haven ' t wanted to eat much. Now I ' m kinda a little hungry but it ' s kinda just barely there... not like when I was on carbs and it would hit and I ' d KNOW it was time to eat because I ' d feel bad... Just... bleh. I could eat. Maybe should... dunno. Might in an hour or so.
And I haven ' t felt " You NEED TO EAT " pangs since ketosis set in... but all in all I don ' t feel much like eating.
What do I need to know here? What ' s safe and what becomes dangerous?
I ' m just trying to keep my thoughts flowing to supportive, knowledgeable people who can help keep me on track til I get the hang of this... I ' m just not feeling wonderful right now and it ' s making me distress a little...
Thanks!
Shei
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 2: 56 am Post subject:
You ' re supposed to not want to eat as much on the Atkins diet, or supposedly I guess.
I always feel like eating but I ' m pretty active brawny wise and my body is always screaming at me to eat more protein.
I did however lose the cravings for the naughty stuff very fast on atkins. What you ' re feeling right now is just fine.
arsieiuni
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 6: 24 am Post subject:
Thanks Kyp... I ' ve read several of your posts and you seem like a very logically sound diagnostic.
I do a lot activity wise also, but today was a kinda blah day. My husband didn ' t feel very good so we didn ' t go moving like normal and I felt bad most of the day about eating... ( as in physically ) and then when we did walk a bit, I ate a little when I came back in and felt better.
I don ' t really have bad cravings for anything bad... I ' m happy... I don ' t want cookies or cake etc... I ' m craving FRUIT or Veggies that I can ' t have... lol which isn ' t so bad right? I mean to crave, not to give in to... Just kinda a good sign that those are my week spots I think.
But there ' s lots of fruit in the house for the baby and I haven ' t touched it, so all is good. I ' m not even tempted. I want to lose weight.
Thanks again!
Shei
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 12: 28 pm Post subject:
Best thing to do in the next week or so is ascertain a few foods that you CAN have but which kind of feel like cheating, or as i call em, atkins friendly cheating.
If you can have a few of those around and you feel like oh to hell with it, i ' m going to go have a cookie, snag one of those instead.
I keep sugar free jello around and heavy cream, if I feel like cracking I put some in a bowl and rain some heavy cream on it. Works like a charm.
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 2: 27 pm Post subject:
Hi arsieiuni. I ' ve been keeping my carbs below 25g per day for three weeks now, and I feel the same way you do. I scarcely get hungry and when I do, it feels different. It ' s not a craving anymore. I ' m aware of it but it ' s easy to ignore, and if I don ' t eat, the hunger goes away.
Like you, my main cravings ( during the first two weeks, they ' ve stopped now ) were chiefly for fruit.
I think this is good, normal, and healthy. It ' s the old feeling to which we ' ve become accustomed - - hungry cravings - - that are actually unhealthy.
On high carb diets, the body needs a constant supply of carbs for blood sugar. Blood sugar tends to go up and down a lot, and when it goes down, the brain puts out a panicky demand for more carbs. But on low carb diets, the brain and body get all the fuel they need from fat and protein, so those panicky urgent cravings aren ' t necessary anymore.
Also, once the body gets used to a low carb diet, it ' s able to use stored fat for fuel to a greater degree. We all have plenty of stored fat from our years on high carb diets. The body * should * want to use up its existing fat supply. If it ' s doing that, then it has very little need for food. I think this is a sign of health.
The * really * unhealthy thing is being hungry while your body has a lot of fat. That means the body is unable to use that fat for nourishment. That is considered normal, but really it ' s a sign of metabolic illness that is very common for people on high carb diets.
arsieiuni
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 4: 08 pm Post subject:
Kyp
I ' m not having bad enough cravings for anything to cave. My biggest craving so far: To be thin!
When I think about " Oh that would taste good... " I tell myself two things...
1. It wouldn ' t taste good for long....
2. Being thin would taste BETTER!
And in consequence, I don ' t cave. [ / icon_smile. gif]
Robbie
Thanks SO much for division confirm that this is the way it goes... I feel better after review you guys distinct similar behavior in yourselves.
Now today is a little different because I went to pillar on a largely empty stomach last night... I didn ' t want to eat right before laying down so I ignored it and just went to sleep. I was tired anyway. Then this morning, I ' m hungry. Actually really hungry as compared to other days so far... but NOT like on carbs. My stomach is just grumbly and empy feeling.
But all in all this is WORKING! I ' m down 6 pounds as of this morning! woohooowooo!
Thanks again both of you!
Shei
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 5: 44 pm Post subject:
You ' re welcome! Actually I was very glad to see your original post because I came to this forum today to see if anyone described how it feels to be hungry after sticking to a low carb diet for a couple of weeks. Your post was exactly what I wanted to read.
I ' m finding the feeling to be fascinating. I wanted to see what other people say about it. Hunger feels completely different for me since the end of my second week on really low carbs. For example, right now I haven ' t eaten for about 18 hours delete for tea with a little half and half in it, and I ' m not hungry. My stomach feels very small - - I can feel that - - but the sensation doesn ' t bother me and I have zero enthusiasm to eat. Probably a want to eat will arise within the next couple of hours but it will be weak, and if I ignore it, it will probably go away again. This is completely different from how hunger " normally " feels on high carbs, which of course isn ' t really normal at all - - high carb diets are only possible if you eat unnatural foods like grains and potatoes that were created by human technology after the falsehood of agriculture.
One reason why I was curious was because a few days ago I read " Good Calories Bad Calories " by Gary Taubes which is a huge book summarizing a lot of specialist literature about carbs and diet and obesity.
Then yesterday I read every critical review of that book I could find on the Web. I was inspirited to see that one of the main attacks against Taubes ( and also against Atkins, since they are saying the same thing ) is that it ' s not proven that appetite shower on low carb diets.
As I read these attacks on Taubes and Atkins I thought, " Hmm, this may not have been proven in rigorously controlled specialist studies, but anybody can see first - hand with two weeks worth of crack whether their appetite diminishes. "
It seems so tremendously straightforward to me that a low carb diet changes the whole appetite mechanism - - at least this has been true in my case - - that I wanted to see what other people said about it.
arsieiuni
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 9: 05 pm Post subject:
Robbie,
That is fascinating! I have only been on the diet for 5 days as of this morning and I began to feel that way yesterday! My hunger is near to nothing! It ' s amazing...
What I do want to say is, though you seem very knowledgeable and I don ' t mean to be telling you your business or anything... be very careful about going THAT long without eating. I read on the Atkins plan you are not supposed to go more than 6 waking hours without eating.
My dear friend who got me pointed in the Atkins direction is a very heavily studied medical practitioner working toward certification to be a naturalist doctor ( gal already has a doctorate in science ). Queen told me to eat before 3 hours passed, even if it was just a little bite of cheese or a slice of deli meat because your body ' s metabolism stays up best if you give it something to do constantly. Dame climactically went on to say that if you let it go past 3 hours your metabolism starts to decline and eating just before 3 hours each time keeps it at optimal performance. Butterfly also told me that doing this will keep your body from going into starvation mode where it tries to hang on to all its fat. Just so you know and if you have your own reasons for doing as you are, and I ' m certainly not animated to know. ^ - ^ Just trying to help.
This morning I was really hungry like I said and I only ate 2 slices of fried bologna, 1 large lettuce leaf, 2 egg whites with a thin slice of cheddar on it and a little mustard on the bologna.... It looked smaller on the plate than it sounds... 8 carbs for breakfast because I was REALLY hungry. Now it ' s on to lunch and I ' m gonna eat decently again because I ' m trying to stick to that " breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince, dinner like a pauper " thing. I had a snack of a string cheese right as we went out for our walk and I had a slim jim ( one of the small ones... 4 sticks = 2 carbs ) at the store to give me some energy for the walk back. Now I ' ve had a COLD shower and I feel FANTASTIC.
Thanks again for the info! It ' s great to learn more about this. I love learning about the science behind this diet!
Shei
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 1: 02 pm Post subject:
Hi Shei,
Thanks for the warning! I think there ' s some truth in what your friend said, but it has been stretched here to the point where it becomes misleading.
What I think is true is that large, infrequent meals can be dangerous to people if they have diabetes or severe metabolic syndrome especially if they are eating sugar or carbs. The reason it ' s dangerous it that these meals ( with sugar or carbs ) make blood sugar surge. This is why ( for example ) the American Diabetes Association advises small, infrequent meals. Edit: Oops, that was a bad typo. I meant " small, frequent meals. "
It ' s also true that if you stop eating for a long time your body starts to conserve energy. This makes weight loss slow down. For healthy people, this is a * good * thing because it extends life span, but if you are trying to lose weight, it ' s a bad thing because it makes your fat disappear more slowly.
I happen not to be in either of those two groups. I ' m only about five pounds overweight ( a small amount of very stubborn visceral fat ). I ' ve been on a low - carb diet for about two years. What ' s new for me about this three - week experiment is that it ' s the longest time I ' ve tried to hold my carbs to as close to zero as possible. I did it partly to see if I could get rid of the visceral fat but mainly to see if it would elminate my migraines. ( They ' ve been reduced but not eliminated. )
> She basically went on to say that if you let it go past 3 hours
> your metabolism starts to decline and eating just before 3 hours
> each time keeps it at optimal performance
Yes, but optimal in what sense? Keeping your metabolism as high as possible is optimal for weight loss, which of course is extremely important to many people here, but not for health. There has been a ton of research for decades ( with many species of animals but not humans ) that if diet is reduced, and if metabolism slows, lifespan is tremendously extended. There is a tremendous amount of evidence that a slower metabolism is the healthier one.
Many people believe you can get the life - extending benefits of permanently reduced diet by intermittent fasting, i. e., going a day or so without eating every now and then.
If you think in evolutionary terms, this makes sense. Humans are primarily carnivores. Before agriculture was invented, humans were hunter - gatherers. Such people eat irregularly. They don ' t have a constant food supply. It would have been normal for them to eat one day but not the next. Their bodies ( and therefore our bodies ) were designed for this kind of existence.
Some people ( Arthur de Vany, for example ) believe that irregular eating of this sort is essential in order to trigger the expression of certain genes which we need for health.
One other thing I ' d like to point out is that after you ' ve restored yourself to health - - after you ' ve broken your carb addiction - - at some point, your appetite becomes a reliable signal again. As long as you ' re addicted to carbs, you can ' t trust your appetite to tell you when to eat because your body craves sugar even though it has many pounds of fuel locked away in its adipose tissue. But once you ' re healthy again, the appetite becomes a reasonable guide to when and how much you should eat.
Robbie
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KypDurron
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 2: 16 pm Post subject:
No offense rob... but this isn ' t the LC restricted diet california life extension forum.
Your method may work, I ' ve read up on it pretty extensively, but it ' s 100 percent completely contradictory to anyone ' s goals in this section of the world.
Just some FYI.
The evidence supporting significant life extension in humans on the restricted diet so far has been pretty ambiguous, to say the least. Walking around advocating in any way not eating for 18 hours while drinking some tea, or poo pooing metabolism boosting is in my personal opinion, a bit irresponsible here.
As for me, between the motorcycle, the vagaries of life, and the Large Hadron Collider, I seriously doubt I or probably many people are going to live out their natural lives in this generation, so frag it, I ' m havin some bacon with my eggs this morning.
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 3: 06 pm Post subject:
> Your method may work, I ' ve read up on it pretty extensively, but
> it ' s 100 percent completely contradictory to anyone ' s goals
> in this section of the world.
I think you ' re arguing with a strawman here, not me. I said that if your goal is to lose fat tissue, then you should probably eat small frequent meals.
I was replying to advice that was given to me personally and explaining why it doesn ' t apply to me personally.
> so frag it, I ' m havin some bacon with my eggs this morning.
Perfectly healthy ( except perhaps for the carmelized sugar in the bacon ). I had two eggs myself. [ / icon_smile. gif]
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 4: 01 pm Post subject:
There isn ' t carmelized sugar in my bacon. You apparently haven ' t familiarized yourself with my posts yet. I ' m meticulous in what I eat.
Rob sez
" What I think is true is that large, infrequent meals can be dangerous to people if they have diabetes or severe metabolic syndrome especially if they are eating sugar or carbs. The reason it ' s dangerous it that these meals ( with sugar or carbs ) make blood sugar surge. This is why ( for example ) the American Diabetes Association advises small, infrequent meals. "
That ' s not conducive to metabolic increase.
Rob sez
" Right now I haven ' t eaten for about 18 hours except for tea with a little half and half in it, and I ' m not hungry. My stomach feels very small - - I can feel that - - but the sensation doesn ' t bother me and I have zero desire to eat. Probably a desire to eat will arise within the next couple of hours but it will be weak, and if I ignore it, it will probably go away again "
also not conductive to metabolic increase or weight loss.
Kyp sez... game set match.
KypDurron
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 4: 03 pm Post subject:
In any case, if atkins is still up in the air because of long term studies being lacking, then definitely the Restricted Calorie life extension diet is suspect for the same reason on a much greater scale.
I think the point im trying to make is that you don ' t put the cart before the horse, and you definitely don ' t put the retirement of the family farm into the grandchildrens name so that you can go open a soda shop in San Franscisco and talk about the good ole days before the cart before the horse, by which i mean that it ' s probably better to lose 100 lbs before you start thinking of doing a metabolistic slowdown life extension diet.
And yes, i mean you in the figurative sense.
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 4: 54 pm Post subject:
KypDurron wrote:
There isn ' t carmelized sugar in my bacon. You apparently haven ' t familiarized yourself with my posts yet. I ' m meticulous in what I eat.
I eat bacon too, but since it ' s cured with sugar and has been smoked even before I heat it, it ' s a safe bet that it contains carmelized sugar. How do you avoid this? Do you buy sugar - free bacon?
KypDurron wrote:
Rob sez
" What I think is true is that large, infrequent meals can be dangerous to people if they have diabetes or severe metabolic syndrome especially if they are eating sugar or carbs. The reason it ' s dangerous it that these meals ( with sugar or carbs ) make blood sugar surge. This is why ( for example ) the American Diabetes Association advises small, infrequent meals. "
That ' s not conducive to metabolic increase.
That was a very bad typo on my part. I meant to write " small, frequent meals. " As for metabolic increase - - I didn ' t say anything about metabolic increase in that paragraph. That ' s not what that paragraph is about. It ' s about why diabetics would want to avoid going 18 hours between meals.
KypDurron wrote:
Rob sez
" Right now I haven ' t eaten for about 18 hours except for tea with a little half and half in it, and I ' m not hungry. My stomach feels very small - - I can feel that - - but the sensation doesn ' t bother me and I have zero desire to eat. Probably a desire to eat will arise within the next couple of hours but it will be weak, and if I ignore it, it will probably go away again "
also not conductive to metabolic increase or weight loss.
I didn ' t say it ' s conducive to either of those things. What I said was, I personally am not seeking metabolic increase or rapid weight loss because I ' m only about five pounds overweight. What I ' m seeking is increased insulin sensitivity and fewer migraines.
KypDurron wrote:
Kyp sez... game set match.
I ' m not interested in arguing for the sake of arguing. If you want to really listen to each other and have a discussion, I welcome that. If you ' re looking for a sporting event, you ' ll have to find somebody else to fight with.
KypDurron
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 5: 31 pm Post subject:
Oh I ' m not fighting with you, im just commenting on the fact that you ' re doing the functional equivalent of posting in a child abuse recovery forum about where the best place is to find pictures of abused kids.
I fail to see where your comments have any relevancy to Atkins weight loss.
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 5: 44 pm Post subject:
I made those remarks because Shei warned me that it might be harmful to me personally to go 18 hours without eating. I was explaining why, although it may be harmful to some people, I don ' t think it ' s harmful to me.
KypDurron
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 6: 29 pm Post subject:
It may not be harmful to you, but it ' s not what we do around here.
Also I get my bacon fresh from a butcher, chuckles.
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 7: 34 pm Post subject:
Guys... I think you ' ve had a misunderstanding elapse between you...
Robbie was responding to me directly and his answer is completely understandable... He wasn ' t advising other Atkins dieters to do it his way, Kyp. He was telling me why he had let himself go 18 hours without eating when I told him that going more than 6 was an Atkins no - no.
Kyp, I ' m sure you don ' t mean your comments to come off as an attack, but the attitude of them is very harsh. You ' re incredibly logical and I believe, very intelligent, thus it seems quite difficult to keep trace of your thought pattern at times, but I think you may have taken that argument to a bit of a tangent. Robbie doesn ' t seem to be trying to promote his diet style to this forum. He seems, rather, to be learning about Atkins and it just happened that I said something to him that prompted an explanation of his current way of eating. Please don ' t be agitated by this! [ / icon_smile. gif] It was all innocent conversation!
Please let this fall to peace, gentlemen... It was a misunderstanding that set you at odds... There is nothing more to it. [ / icon_smile. gif]
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 3: 16 pm Post subject:
After two weeks of Low Carb I got so concerned about my loss of appetite I started trolling WebMD - type sites just to make sure nothing was wrong with me!!! [ / icon_biggrin. gif] Last night I got home from work, did the gym thing, then went to the kitchen to make dinner and realized I just wasn ' t hungry - at ALL. So I had some water and some almonds and called it a night on the eating. Woke up this morning and had to force myself to eat some breakfast.
This is just WEIRD. I ' m coming back to Low Carb - I did it many years ago and lost a significant amount of weight, but found it very difficult to maintain over the long term. But I ' m in a different place now ( and also heavier! ), and I think I ' ll be okay making this adjustment now. I ' ve always been a huge protein person anyway, and when I added weight - training to my workouts a couple years ago it seems my desire for protein just increased naturally anyway.
But the appetite thing is blowing my mind. I would have described myself as a Carb Addict a few weeks ago, but now I have no desire for them whatsoever.
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arsieiuni
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 1: 31 am Post subject: Loss of Appetite = Danger?
Hi again all...
I have a serious question...
This is kinda preemptive but I wanna make sure...
I ' m seriously losing my appetite as I go further with this.
I ' m feeling like I don ' t want to eat most of the time...
Maybe I ' m just used to feeling like I DO want to eat most of the time and it ' s weird to me that I don ' t have that kind of cravings right now?
Or maybe it ' s because of the swap in my diet from largely no meat to largely all meat making me feel blah about my options?
But all in all... I haven ' t wanted to eat much. Now I ' m kinda a little hungry but it ' s kinda just barely there... not like when I was on carbs and it would hit and I ' d KNOW it was time to eat because I ' d feel bad... Just... bleh. I could eat. Maybe should... dunno. Might in an hour or so.
And I haven ' t felt " You NEED TO EAT " pangs since ketosis set in... but all in all I don ' t feel much like eating.
What do I need to know here? What ' s safe and what becomes dangerous?
I ' m just trying to keep my thoughts flowing to supportive, knowledgeable people who can help keep me on track til I get the hang of this... I ' m just not feeling wonderful right now and it ' s making me distress a little...
Thanks!
Shei
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 2: 56 am Post subject:
You ' re supposed to not want to eat as much on the Atkins diet, or supposedly I guess.
I always feel like eating but I ' m pretty active brawny wise and my body is always screaming at me to eat more protein.
I did however lose the cravings for the naughty stuff very fast on atkins. What you ' re feeling right now is just fine.
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 6: 24 am Post subject:
Thanks Kyp... I ' ve read several of your posts and you seem like a very logically sound diagnostic.
I do a lot activity wise also, but today was a kinda blah day. My husband didn ' t feel very good so we didn ' t go moving like normal and I felt bad most of the day about eating... ( as in physically ) and then when we did walk a bit, I ate a little when I came back in and felt better.
I don ' t really have bad cravings for anything bad... I ' m happy... I don ' t want cookies or cake etc... I ' m craving FRUIT or Veggies that I can ' t have... lol which isn ' t so bad right? I mean to crave, not to give in to... Just kinda a good sign that those are my week spots I think.
But there ' s lots of fruit in the house for the baby and I haven ' t touched it, so all is good. I ' m not even tempted. I want to lose weight.
Thanks again!
Shei
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 12: 28 pm Post subject:
Best thing to do in the next week or so is ascertain a few foods that you CAN have but which kind of feel like cheating, or as i call em, atkins friendly cheating.
If you can have a few of those around and you feel like oh to hell with it, i ' m going to go have a cookie, snag one of those instead.
I keep sugar free jello around and heavy cream, if I feel like cracking I put some in a bowl and rain some heavy cream on it. Works like a charm.
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 2: 27 pm Post subject:
Hi arsieiuni. I ' ve been keeping my carbs below 25g per day for three weeks now, and I feel the same way you do. I scarcely get hungry and when I do, it feels different. It ' s not a craving anymore. I ' m aware of it but it ' s easy to ignore, and if I don ' t eat, the hunger goes away.
Like you, my main cravings ( during the first two weeks, they ' ve stopped now ) were chiefly for fruit.
I think this is good, normal, and healthy. It ' s the old feeling to which we ' ve become accustomed - - hungry cravings - - that are actually unhealthy.
On high carb diets, the body needs a constant supply of carbs for blood sugar. Blood sugar tends to go up and down a lot, and when it goes down, the brain puts out a panicky demand for more carbs. But on low carb diets, the brain and body get all the fuel they need from fat and protein, so those panicky urgent cravings aren ' t necessary anymore.
Also, once the body gets used to a low carb diet, it ' s able to use stored fat for fuel to a greater degree. We all have plenty of stored fat from our years on high carb diets. The body * should * want to use up its existing fat supply. If it ' s doing that, then it has very little need for food. I think this is a sign of health.
The * really * unhealthy thing is being hungry while your body has a lot of fat. That means the body is unable to use that fat for nourishment. That is considered normal, but really it ' s a sign of metabolic illness that is very common for people on high carb diets.
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 4: 08 pm Post subject:
Kyp
I ' m not having bad enough cravings for anything to cave. My biggest craving so far: To be thin!
When I think about " Oh that would taste good... " I tell myself two things...
1. It wouldn ' t taste good for long....
2. Being thin would taste BETTER!
And in consequence, I don ' t cave. [ / icon_smile. gif]
Robbie
Thanks SO much for division confirm that this is the way it goes... I feel better after review you guys distinct similar behavior in yourselves.
Now today is a little different because I went to pillar on a largely empty stomach last night... I didn ' t want to eat right before laying down so I ignored it and just went to sleep. I was tired anyway. Then this morning, I ' m hungry. Actually really hungry as compared to other days so far... but NOT like on carbs. My stomach is just grumbly and empy feeling.
But all in all this is WORKING! I ' m down 6 pounds as of this morning! woohooowooo!
Thanks again both of you!
Shei
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 5: 44 pm Post subject:
You ' re welcome! Actually I was very glad to see your original post because I came to this forum today to see if anyone described how it feels to be hungry after sticking to a low carb diet for a couple of weeks. Your post was exactly what I wanted to read.
I ' m finding the feeling to be fascinating. I wanted to see what other people say about it. Hunger feels completely different for me since the end of my second week on really low carbs. For example, right now I haven ' t eaten for about 18 hours delete for tea with a little half and half in it, and I ' m not hungry. My stomach feels very small - - I can feel that - - but the sensation doesn ' t bother me and I have zero enthusiasm to eat. Probably a want to eat will arise within the next couple of hours but it will be weak, and if I ignore it, it will probably go away again. This is completely different from how hunger " normally " feels on high carbs, which of course isn ' t really normal at all - - high carb diets are only possible if you eat unnatural foods like grains and potatoes that were created by human technology after the falsehood of agriculture.
One reason why I was curious was because a few days ago I read " Good Calories Bad Calories " by Gary Taubes which is a huge book summarizing a lot of specialist literature about carbs and diet and obesity.
Then yesterday I read every critical review of that book I could find on the Web. I was inspirited to see that one of the main attacks against Taubes ( and also against Atkins, since they are saying the same thing ) is that it ' s not proven that appetite shower on low carb diets.
As I read these attacks on Taubes and Atkins I thought, " Hmm, this may not have been proven in rigorously controlled specialist studies, but anybody can see first - hand with two weeks worth of crack whether their appetite diminishes. "
It seems so tremendously straightforward to me that a low carb diet changes the whole appetite mechanism - - at least this has been true in my case - - that I wanted to see what other people said about it.
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 9: 05 pm Post subject:
Robbie,
That is fascinating! I have only been on the diet for 5 days as of this morning and I began to feel that way yesterday! My hunger is near to nothing! It ' s amazing...
What I do want to say is, though you seem very knowledgeable and I don ' t mean to be telling you your business or anything... be very careful about going THAT long without eating. I read on the Atkins plan you are not supposed to go more than 6 waking hours without eating.
My dear friend who got me pointed in the Atkins direction is a very heavily studied medical practitioner working toward certification to be a naturalist doctor ( gal already has a doctorate in science ). Queen told me to eat before 3 hours passed, even if it was just a little bite of cheese or a slice of deli meat because your body ' s metabolism stays up best if you give it something to do constantly. Dame climactically went on to say that if you let it go past 3 hours your metabolism starts to decline and eating just before 3 hours each time keeps it at optimal performance. Butterfly also told me that doing this will keep your body from going into starvation mode where it tries to hang on to all its fat. Just so you know and if you have your own reasons for doing as you are, and I ' m certainly not animated to know. ^ - ^ Just trying to help.
This morning I was really hungry like I said and I only ate 2 slices of fried bologna, 1 large lettuce leaf, 2 egg whites with a thin slice of cheddar on it and a little mustard on the bologna.... It looked smaller on the plate than it sounds... 8 carbs for breakfast because I was REALLY hungry. Now it ' s on to lunch and I ' m gonna eat decently again because I ' m trying to stick to that " breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince, dinner like a pauper " thing. I had a snack of a string cheese right as we went out for our walk and I had a slim jim ( one of the small ones... 4 sticks = 2 carbs ) at the store to give me some energy for the walk back. Now I ' ve had a COLD shower and I feel FANTASTIC.
Thanks again for the info! It ' s great to learn more about this. I love learning about the science behind this diet!
Shei
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 1: 02 pm Post subject:
Hi Shei,
Thanks for the warning! I think there ' s some truth in what your friend said, but it has been stretched here to the point where it becomes misleading.
What I think is true is that large, infrequent meals can be dangerous to people if they have diabetes or severe metabolic syndrome especially if they are eating sugar or carbs. The reason it ' s dangerous it that these meals ( with sugar or carbs ) make blood sugar surge. This is why ( for example ) the American Diabetes Association advises small, infrequent meals. Edit: Oops, that was a bad typo. I meant " small, frequent meals. "
It ' s also true that if you stop eating for a long time your body starts to conserve energy. This makes weight loss slow down. For healthy people, this is a * good * thing because it extends life span, but if you are trying to lose weight, it ' s a bad thing because it makes your fat disappear more slowly.
I happen not to be in either of those two groups. I ' m only about five pounds overweight ( a small amount of very stubborn visceral fat ). I ' ve been on a low - carb diet for about two years. What ' s new for me about this three - week experiment is that it ' s the longest time I ' ve tried to hold my carbs to as close to zero as possible. I did it partly to see if I could get rid of the visceral fat but mainly to see if it would elminate my migraines. ( They ' ve been reduced but not eliminated. )
> She basically went on to say that if you let it go past 3 hours
> your metabolism starts to decline and eating just before 3 hours
> each time keeps it at optimal performance
Yes, but optimal in what sense? Keeping your metabolism as high as possible is optimal for weight loss, which of course is extremely important to many people here, but not for health. There has been a ton of research for decades ( with many species of animals but not humans ) that if diet is reduced, and if metabolism slows, lifespan is tremendously extended. There is a tremendous amount of evidence that a slower metabolism is the healthier one.
Many people believe you can get the life - extending benefits of permanently reduced diet by intermittent fasting, i. e., going a day or so without eating every now and then.
If you think in evolutionary terms, this makes sense. Humans are primarily carnivores. Before agriculture was invented, humans were hunter - gatherers. Such people eat irregularly. They don ' t have a constant food supply. It would have been normal for them to eat one day but not the next. Their bodies ( and therefore our bodies ) were designed for this kind of existence.
Some people ( Arthur de Vany, for example ) believe that irregular eating of this sort is essential in order to trigger the expression of certain genes which we need for health.
One other thing I ' d like to point out is that after you ' ve restored yourself to health - - after you ' ve broken your carb addiction - - at some point, your appetite becomes a reliable signal again. As long as you ' re addicted to carbs, you can ' t trust your appetite to tell you when to eat because your body craves sugar even though it has many pounds of fuel locked away in its adipose tissue. But once you ' re healthy again, the appetite becomes a reasonable guide to when and how much you should eat.
Robbie
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KypDurron
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 2: 16 pm Post subject:
No offense rob... but this isn ' t the LC restricted diet california life extension forum.
Your method may work, I ' ve read up on it pretty extensively, but it ' s 100 percent completely contradictory to anyone ' s goals in this section of the world.
Just some FYI.
The evidence supporting significant life extension in humans on the restricted diet so far has been pretty ambiguous, to say the least. Walking around advocating in any way not eating for 18 hours while drinking some tea, or poo pooing metabolism boosting is in my personal opinion, a bit irresponsible here.
As for me, between the motorcycle, the vagaries of life, and the Large Hadron Collider, I seriously doubt I or probably many people are going to live out their natural lives in this generation, so frag it, I ' m havin some bacon with my eggs this morning.
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 3: 06 pm Post subject:
> Your method may work, I ' ve read up on it pretty extensively, but
> it ' s 100 percent completely contradictory to anyone ' s goals
> in this section of the world.
I think you ' re arguing with a strawman here, not me. I said that if your goal is to lose fat tissue, then you should probably eat small frequent meals.
I was replying to advice that was given to me personally and explaining why it doesn ' t apply to me personally.
> so frag it, I ' m havin some bacon with my eggs this morning.
Perfectly healthy ( except perhaps for the carmelized sugar in the bacon ). I had two eggs myself. [ / icon_smile. gif]
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 4: 01 pm Post subject:
There isn ' t carmelized sugar in my bacon. You apparently haven ' t familiarized yourself with my posts yet. I ' m meticulous in what I eat.
Rob sez
" What I think is true is that large, infrequent meals can be dangerous to people if they have diabetes or severe metabolic syndrome especially if they are eating sugar or carbs. The reason it ' s dangerous it that these meals ( with sugar or carbs ) make blood sugar surge. This is why ( for example ) the American Diabetes Association advises small, infrequent meals. "
That ' s not conducive to metabolic increase.
Rob sez
" Right now I haven ' t eaten for about 18 hours except for tea with a little half and half in it, and I ' m not hungry. My stomach feels very small - - I can feel that - - but the sensation doesn ' t bother me and I have zero desire to eat. Probably a desire to eat will arise within the next couple of hours but it will be weak, and if I ignore it, it will probably go away again "
also not conductive to metabolic increase or weight loss.
Kyp sez... game set match.
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 4: 03 pm Post subject:
In any case, if atkins is still up in the air because of long term studies being lacking, then definitely the Restricted Calorie life extension diet is suspect for the same reason on a much greater scale.
I think the point im trying to make is that you don ' t put the cart before the horse, and you definitely don ' t put the retirement of the family farm into the grandchildrens name so that you can go open a soda shop in San Franscisco and talk about the good ole days before the cart before the horse, by which i mean that it ' s probably better to lose 100 lbs before you start thinking of doing a metabolistic slowdown life extension diet.
And yes, i mean you in the figurative sense.
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 4: 54 pm Post subject:
KypDurron wrote:
There isn ' t carmelized sugar in my bacon. You apparently haven ' t familiarized yourself with my posts yet. I ' m meticulous in what I eat.
I eat bacon too, but since it ' s cured with sugar and has been smoked even before I heat it, it ' s a safe bet that it contains carmelized sugar. How do you avoid this? Do you buy sugar - free bacon?
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Rob sez
" What I think is true is that large, infrequent meals can be dangerous to people if they have diabetes or severe metabolic syndrome especially if they are eating sugar or carbs. The reason it ' s dangerous it that these meals ( with sugar or carbs ) make blood sugar surge. This is why ( for example ) the American Diabetes Association advises small, infrequent meals. "
That ' s not conducive to metabolic increase.
That was a very bad typo on my part. I meant to write " small, frequent meals. " As for metabolic increase - - I didn ' t say anything about metabolic increase in that paragraph. That ' s not what that paragraph is about. It ' s about why diabetics would want to avoid going 18 hours between meals.
KypDurron wrote:
Rob sez
" Right now I haven ' t eaten for about 18 hours except for tea with a little half and half in it, and I ' m not hungry. My stomach feels very small - - I can feel that - - but the sensation doesn ' t bother me and I have zero desire to eat. Probably a desire to eat will arise within the next couple of hours but it will be weak, and if I ignore it, it will probably go away again "
also not conductive to metabolic increase or weight loss.
I didn ' t say it ' s conducive to either of those things. What I said was, I personally am not seeking metabolic increase or rapid weight loss because I ' m only about five pounds overweight. What I ' m seeking is increased insulin sensitivity and fewer migraines.
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Kyp sez... game set match.
I ' m not interested in arguing for the sake of arguing. If you want to really listen to each other and have a discussion, I welcome that. If you ' re looking for a sporting event, you ' ll have to find somebody else to fight with.
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 5: 31 pm Post subject:
Oh I ' m not fighting with you, im just commenting on the fact that you ' re doing the functional equivalent of posting in a child abuse recovery forum about where the best place is to find pictures of abused kids.
I fail to see where your comments have any relevancy to Atkins weight loss.
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 5: 44 pm Post subject:
I made those remarks because Shei warned me that it might be harmful to me personally to go 18 hours without eating. I was explaining why, although it may be harmful to some people, I don ' t think it ' s harmful to me.
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 6: 29 pm Post subject:
It may not be harmful to you, but it ' s not what we do around here.
Also I get my bacon fresh from a butcher, chuckles.
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 7: 34 pm Post subject:
Guys... I think you ' ve had a misunderstanding elapse between you...
Robbie was responding to me directly and his answer is completely understandable... He wasn ' t advising other Atkins dieters to do it his way, Kyp. He was telling me why he had let himself go 18 hours without eating when I told him that going more than 6 was an Atkins no - no.
Kyp, I ' m sure you don ' t mean your comments to come off as an attack, but the attitude of them is very harsh. You ' re incredibly logical and I believe, very intelligent, thus it seems quite difficult to keep trace of your thought pattern at times, but I think you may have taken that argument to a bit of a tangent. Robbie doesn ' t seem to be trying to promote his diet style to this forum. He seems, rather, to be learning about Atkins and it just happened that I said something to him that prompted an explanation of his current way of eating. Please don ' t be agitated by this! [ / icon_smile. gif] It was all innocent conversation!
Please let this fall to peace, gentlemen... It was a misunderstanding that set you at odds... There is nothing more to it. [ / icon_smile. gif]
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 3: 16 pm Post subject:
After two weeks of Low Carb I got so concerned about my loss of appetite I started trolling WebMD - type sites just to make sure nothing was wrong with me!!! [ / icon_biggrin. gif] Last night I got home from work, did the gym thing, then went to the kitchen to make dinner and realized I just wasn ' t hungry - at ALL. So I had some water and some almonds and called it a night on the eating. Woke up this morning and had to force myself to eat some breakfast.
This is just WEIRD. I ' m coming back to Low Carb - I did it many years ago and lost a significant amount of weight, but found it very difficult to maintain over the long term. But I ' m in a different place now ( and also heavier! ), and I think I ' ll be okay making this adjustment now. I ' ve always been a huge protein person anyway, and when I added weight - training to my workouts a couple years ago it seems my desire for protein just increased naturally anyway.
But the appetite thing is blowing my mind. I would have described myself as a Carb Addict a few weeks ago, but now I have no desire for them whatsoever.
Over a little!!!! OH NO: (
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Sat Jul 26, 2008 4: 16 am Post subject: Over a little!!!! OH NO: (
Hey guys!
I had an incident! I ' ve eaten 21. 5 carbs today!!!! It was an business! I lost track slightly because I forgot how much was in the Kofta Kabobs I tried today! [ / icon_sad. gif]
It ' s only a little over. Do you think I will be okay? I had good meals today so I think I ' ve done very well over all but oooops!
Well I read that it takes 35 carbs roughly to break ketosis so I should be okay, right???
Shei, distressed!
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Sat Jul 26, 2008 11: 18 am Post subject:
Shei... relax, it ' s no big deal. A big deal is when you go WAY, and I mean WAAAAAY, over. You didn ' t. Atkins said " no more than 20 per day " in his book but then later, in another chapter, he said a little over and little under... just keep it around 20.
And as for whatever you read about breaking ketosis at 35g a day? I seriously doubt that. Unless that person is VERY metabolically resistant. That ' s a person who eats less than 20 ( very low carb ) and doesn ' t lose anything. That ' s not you. I have a book called " Atkins Eating For Life ". It has 4 menus in it... pages and pages of menus for 45g, 60g, 80g and 100g. So you can eventually eat more than 35 grams, ok? Atkins talks about leaving ketosis in Pre - Maintenance. That ' s when you ' re 5 - 10# from a equitable goal weight. Pre - M takes at least 3 months ( to lose those last pounds ). It ' s at that time that you ' ll be reaching the point where you ' re bouncing between lypolysis and glycolysis. Sometimes you ' ll be burning fatty acids ( ketosis ) and sometimes you ' ll be burning glucose. Depending on your metabolism and amount of exercise you can be eating a lot more carbs.
Look at page 173... there ' s a list of ranges for people in OWL. From <15 to as much as 90 a day. In Maintenance it ' s 25 to 90 + a day ( page 209 ). It all depends on your metabolic resistance and how much you exercise. Gender will come into play, too, I ' m sure... and age... but certainly we can look forward to having more carbs and still maintaining our goal weight.
All this to say... you ' re ok. Don ' t sweat it. [ / icon_smile. gif]
Tril
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Sat Jul 26, 2008 4: 22 pm Post subject:
Thanks Tril!!!
You made me feel much better!
But I ' m also maintaining this morning, and still in ketosis so I feel great. [ / icon_smile. gif]
You do totally mother us here, but it ' s the good kind of mothering. The kind we need. [ / icon_smile. gif] lol!
Thanks so much! I want to read these books but property is stupidly tight right now. I borrowed one from the library but I don ' t think I can read it in the time they allow me to keep it. I surprise if I can phone in and check it back out? If not, I ' ll walk back and forth because it ' s just on the other side of town so I can walk it no sweat. ( We do that a lot anyway. )
Shei
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Sat Jul 26, 2008 8: 05 pm Post subject:
Shei... I ' m glad you feel better. [ / icon_smile. gif] At my library I can renew books online so long as no one else as reserved it. You might look into that. We ' re a little hick town... not a big city. The library is in a house. Check it out! I got my book, though, at Goodwill. It was 99 cents! I also got that menu book I told you about for 99 cents. I go there every month or so and look at the books... you can get * * * * on cookbooks and diet books.
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Sat Jul 26, 2008 8: 15 pm Post subject:
Oh... I meant to add... glad you think I mother in a " good " way ( my sons wouldn ' t always agree... ). [ / icon_wink. gif] My maternal streak runs VERY deep and strong in me. I mother everyone. LOL Even my sons ' friends call me " Mom "... one calls me " Mom2 ". I stood in for his mother at his wedding... so sweet and such an honor. Oh, and our divorced friend has a daughter who calls ME and not her mom when she needs advice. You know, it ' s all I ever wanted to be? A wife and mom. Must be why I ' m so content in life...
Tril
arsieiuni
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Sat Jul 26, 2008 11: 23 pm Post subject:
Tril
I will check the THRIFT STORE!!! OMG why didn ' t I think of that? [ / icon_smile. gif]
Oooooh and GUESS WHAT??? I didn ' t go over! I checked something and I had forgotten to count the fiber in my salad yesterday so I was UNDER woooo!!!
I get too worried about simple things like that sometimes I guess. ^ - ^ But I ' m dead serious about this diet and I don ' t wanna mess up one tiny bit!
And yeah it ' s a good thing. I ' d rather have someone looking out for me than not! My mom never really did anything but take advantage of me and she died a couple years ago, not on good terms... So I ' ve never had any " good " mothering really lol. It ' s refreshing. And maybe your sons wouldn ' t say so, but they don ' t know how lucky they are to have a good mother. [ / icon_smile. gif]
Gonna go try to figure out a creative dinner! [ / icon_smile. gif]
Shei
Tril
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Sat Jul 26, 2008 11: 37 pm Post subject:
{{{Shei}}} I hate to hear that stuff... bothers me so much to think of kids not feeling loved and protected by their mom. It ' s just not right. So you ' ll have to put up with me mothering you from afar! [ / icon_wink. gif] Did you eat all your veggies today young lady?? LOL
Tril
arsieiuni
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Sun Jul 27, 2008 5: 05 am Post subject:
No.... well maybe? lol
I have eaten some of my chicken casserole ( I posted the recipe!!! ) and it had lots of veggies. I also had a salad... and... um... well I ' ll have some cucumber as a snack in a minute! ^ - ^ I haven ' t eaten so much today.
I have a hard time eating as much as I should on this diet o_o... I just... I ' m not hungry!
But thank you for being here Tril. You ' re awesome!
Shei ^_^
Tril
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Sun Jul 27, 2008 11: 56 am Post subject:
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arsieiuni
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Sat Jul 26, 2008 4: 16 am Post subject: Over a little!!!! OH NO: (
Hey guys!
I had an incident! I ' ve eaten 21. 5 carbs today!!!! It was an business! I lost track slightly because I forgot how much was in the Kofta Kabobs I tried today! [ / icon_sad. gif]
It ' s only a little over. Do you think I will be okay? I had good meals today so I think I ' ve done very well over all but oooops!
Well I read that it takes 35 carbs roughly to break ketosis so I should be okay, right???
Shei, distressed!
Tril
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Sat Jul 26, 2008 11: 18 am Post subject:
Shei... relax, it ' s no big deal. A big deal is when you go WAY, and I mean WAAAAAY, over. You didn ' t. Atkins said " no more than 20 per day " in his book but then later, in another chapter, he said a little over and little under... just keep it around 20.
And as for whatever you read about breaking ketosis at 35g a day? I seriously doubt that. Unless that person is VERY metabolically resistant. That ' s a person who eats less than 20 ( very low carb ) and doesn ' t lose anything. That ' s not you. I have a book called " Atkins Eating For Life ". It has 4 menus in it... pages and pages of menus for 45g, 60g, 80g and 100g. So you can eventually eat more than 35 grams, ok? Atkins talks about leaving ketosis in Pre - Maintenance. That ' s when you ' re 5 - 10# from a equitable goal weight. Pre - M takes at least 3 months ( to lose those last pounds ). It ' s at that time that you ' ll be reaching the point where you ' re bouncing between lypolysis and glycolysis. Sometimes you ' ll be burning fatty acids ( ketosis ) and sometimes you ' ll be burning glucose. Depending on your metabolism and amount of exercise you can be eating a lot more carbs.
Look at page 173... there ' s a list of ranges for people in OWL. From <15 to as much as 90 a day. In Maintenance it ' s 25 to 90 + a day ( page 209 ). It all depends on your metabolic resistance and how much you exercise. Gender will come into play, too, I ' m sure... and age... but certainly we can look forward to having more carbs and still maintaining our goal weight.
All this to say... you ' re ok. Don ' t sweat it. [ / icon_smile. gif]
Tril
arsieiuni
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Sat Jul 26, 2008 4: 22 pm Post subject:
Thanks Tril!!!
You made me feel much better!
But I ' m also maintaining this morning, and still in ketosis so I feel great. [ / icon_smile. gif]
You do totally mother us here, but it ' s the good kind of mothering. The kind we need. [ / icon_smile. gif] lol!
Thanks so much! I want to read these books but property is stupidly tight right now. I borrowed one from the library but I don ' t think I can read it in the time they allow me to keep it. I surprise if I can phone in and check it back out? If not, I ' ll walk back and forth because it ' s just on the other side of town so I can walk it no sweat. ( We do that a lot anyway. )
Shei
Tril
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Sat Jul 26, 2008 8: 05 pm Post subject:
Shei... I ' m glad you feel better. [ / icon_smile. gif] At my library I can renew books online so long as no one else as reserved it. You might look into that. We ' re a little hick town... not a big city. The library is in a house. Check it out! I got my book, though, at Goodwill. It was 99 cents! I also got that menu book I told you about for 99 cents. I go there every month or so and look at the books... you can get * * * * on cookbooks and diet books.
Tril
Tril
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Sat Jul 26, 2008 8: 15 pm Post subject:
Oh... I meant to add... glad you think I mother in a " good " way ( my sons wouldn ' t always agree... ). [ / icon_wink. gif] My maternal streak runs VERY deep and strong in me. I mother everyone. LOL Even my sons ' friends call me " Mom "... one calls me " Mom2 ". I stood in for his mother at his wedding... so sweet and such an honor. Oh, and our divorced friend has a daughter who calls ME and not her mom when she needs advice. You know, it ' s all I ever wanted to be? A wife and mom. Must be why I ' m so content in life...
Tril
arsieiuni
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Sat Jul 26, 2008 11: 23 pm Post subject:
Tril
I will check the THRIFT STORE!!! OMG why didn ' t I think of that? [ / icon_smile. gif]
Oooooh and GUESS WHAT??? I didn ' t go over! I checked something and I had forgotten to count the fiber in my salad yesterday so I was UNDER woooo!!!
I get too worried about simple things like that sometimes I guess. ^ - ^ But I ' m dead serious about this diet and I don ' t wanna mess up one tiny bit!
And yeah it ' s a good thing. I ' d rather have someone looking out for me than not! My mom never really did anything but take advantage of me and she died a couple years ago, not on good terms... So I ' ve never had any " good " mothering really lol. It ' s refreshing. And maybe your sons wouldn ' t say so, but they don ' t know how lucky they are to have a good mother. [ / icon_smile. gif]
Gonna go try to figure out a creative dinner! [ / icon_smile. gif]
Shei
Tril
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Sat Jul 26, 2008 11: 37 pm Post subject:
{{{Shei}}} I hate to hear that stuff... bothers me so much to think of kids not feeling loved and protected by their mom. It ' s just not right. So you ' ll have to put up with me mothering you from afar! [ / icon_wink. gif] Did you eat all your veggies today young lady?? LOL
Tril
arsieiuni
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Sun Jul 27, 2008 5: 05 am Post subject:
No.... well maybe? lol
I have eaten some of my chicken casserole ( I posted the recipe!!! ) and it had lots of veggies. I also had a salad... and... um... well I ' ll have some cucumber as a snack in a minute! ^ - ^ I haven ' t eaten so much today.
I have a hard time eating as much as I should on this diet o_o... I just... I ' m not hungry!
But thank you for being here Tril. You ' re awesome!
Shei ^_^
Tril
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Sun Jul 27, 2008 11: 56 am Post subject:
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cramping...
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Mon May 26, 2008 7: 33 am Post subject: cramping...
I am sure this topic has been conquered to casualty but I have yet to find relief in any of the suggestions.
I have read about the dreaded leg cramps and I do have these SOMEHWAT but what is really bothering is arm cramps. I can only depict it as it feels as though my arms are not long enough for my body and all I can do is keep stretching them. I think they are the same thing as the leg cramps. LIke most of what I read it seems to happen as soon as I start drifting off to sleep, wakes me up. I haven ' t slept in a few days. I just recently made 30 days on this WOL and while I love everything about it, this one little problem is turning into a nightmare and I am considering quitting after 3 full nights of not sleeping.
I have tried potassium. I have been taking it all along and as the problem progressed I was taking up to 8 99 ' s a day and still nothing. I arranged my whole menu to work in foods full of potassium. I included magnesium. I stretch before reinforcement. I only had one night of rest and that day I drank a glass of a milk and ate a banana out of desperation but i would really hate to have to continue doing that.
Any other suggestions? The only other thing I have read is cutting out aspratame drinks, which I just looked and I have been drinking pepsi max which does admit aspartame. I was previously drinking pepsi one which I think is Splenda sugar-coated. So I am starting to think there might be something to this guys suggestion however he didn; t cover any information as to why this may work. I don; t have a problem switching to Pepsi One instead other than it is much harder to find so I admit I have been buying the max out of laziness.
wheresmycoat
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Mon May 26, 2008 7: 46 am Post subject:
for starters, i am not a big follower of pepsi or any artificially syrupy drinks.
back to the point, though... if your arm cramps are at their worst during nocturnal hours, I would suggest plenty of kind stretching 30 daily before sleep. Also, try and sleep on your back with your arms fully extended to your sides ( like a petulant ) for maximum blood flow. if you sleep on your sides, and forasmuch as prevent full circulation of blood to your arms, this may cause cramping and be the culprit.
Finally, milk and banana ' s are not allowed on the diet. I would try a herbal tea before bedtime, as the warmth will help you fall asleep. Plus, camomile and valerian teas have anesthetic properties that help you relax and fall asleep. you could also place a few drops of pure lavender oil on your pillow, which also has sedative effects on the body.
good luck [ / icon_cool. gif]
kyshill
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Tue May 27, 2008 4: 49 am Post subject: hmm
hey. thanks for your time and suggestions. i appreciate it.
although, it isnt so much the falling asleep i need help with. its the excruciating pain im looking to lessen. and i know milk and bananas are not allowed, lol. my point is they seem to be the only things that work and i am looking for a better alternative.
wheresmycoat
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Tue May 27, 2008 6: 41 am Post subject:
yes, i understand, i was trying to suggest things for the cramps / pain ( i. e. stretching and sleeping positions ) and suggest things to relax your mind / body that will help you fall asleep and stay asleep ( i. e. teas and aromatherapy ). i also suggested you remove artificially sweetened drinks.
take it as you wish.
kyshill
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Tue May 27, 2008 6: 49 am Post subject: well
while the diet colas may cause stalls in some, i am steadily losing a pound a day while drinking them. however, i am really really starting to think that is exactly what is causing the cramps and you are exactly right.
trying it tomorrow. i really hope thats what it is because i would hate to quit after making so much progress.
tonight i tried everything i found online, salt under the [ / icon_tongue. gif], mustard ( gross ), calcium, potassium, magnesium AND i drank a glass of milk and did 100 calf raises. I can tell before I even try to lay down i am already in pain.
anyway, i wasn ' t trying to argue with you. i ' m sorry, i am probably a little on edge from not sleeping for 4 days. i was being sincere when i said i appreciated your ideas. i actually did try the sleeping position last night. sigh. i guess if the soda doesn ' t help I am going to have to go seee the doctor. I am really desperate to try to make this diet work.
kyshill
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Wed May 28, 2008 2: 05 pm Post subject: welll
one day with no aspatarame. first day i slept well in a week.
i was willing to defend my diet cola drinking to the end but as it turns out, i was wrong.
for anyone suffering cramps not easing up with potassium etc, please read up on aspartame. i am convinced it is poison now.
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Mon May 26, 2008 7: 33 am Post subject: cramping...
I am sure this topic has been conquered to casualty but I have yet to find relief in any of the suggestions.
I have read about the dreaded leg cramps and I do have these SOMEHWAT but what is really bothering is arm cramps. I can only depict it as it feels as though my arms are not long enough for my body and all I can do is keep stretching them. I think they are the same thing as the leg cramps. LIke most of what I read it seems to happen as soon as I start drifting off to sleep, wakes me up. I haven ' t slept in a few days. I just recently made 30 days on this WOL and while I love everything about it, this one little problem is turning into a nightmare and I am considering quitting after 3 full nights of not sleeping.
I have tried potassium. I have been taking it all along and as the problem progressed I was taking up to 8 99 ' s a day and still nothing. I arranged my whole menu to work in foods full of potassium. I included magnesium. I stretch before reinforcement. I only had one night of rest and that day I drank a glass of a milk and ate a banana out of desperation but i would really hate to have to continue doing that.
Any other suggestions? The only other thing I have read is cutting out aspratame drinks, which I just looked and I have been drinking pepsi max which does admit aspartame. I was previously drinking pepsi one which I think is Splenda sugar-coated. So I am starting to think there might be something to this guys suggestion however he didn; t cover any information as to why this may work. I don; t have a problem switching to Pepsi One instead other than it is much harder to find so I admit I have been buying the max out of laziness.
wheresmycoat
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Mon May 26, 2008 7: 46 am Post subject:
for starters, i am not a big follower of pepsi or any artificially syrupy drinks.
back to the point, though... if your arm cramps are at their worst during nocturnal hours, I would suggest plenty of kind stretching 30 daily before sleep. Also, try and sleep on your back with your arms fully extended to your sides ( like a petulant ) for maximum blood flow. if you sleep on your sides, and forasmuch as prevent full circulation of blood to your arms, this may cause cramping and be the culprit.
Finally, milk and banana ' s are not allowed on the diet. I would try a herbal tea before bedtime, as the warmth will help you fall asleep. Plus, camomile and valerian teas have anesthetic properties that help you relax and fall asleep. you could also place a few drops of pure lavender oil on your pillow, which also has sedative effects on the body.
good luck [ / icon_cool. gif]
kyshill
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Joined: 26 Apr 2008
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Location: pa
Tue May 27, 2008 4: 49 am Post subject: hmm
hey. thanks for your time and suggestions. i appreciate it.
although, it isnt so much the falling asleep i need help with. its the excruciating pain im looking to lessen. and i know milk and bananas are not allowed, lol. my point is they seem to be the only things that work and i am looking for a better alternative.
wheresmycoat
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Joined: 26 Apr 2008
Posts: 322
Tue May 27, 2008 6: 41 am Post subject:
yes, i understand, i was trying to suggest things for the cramps / pain ( i. e. stretching and sleeping positions ) and suggest things to relax your mind / body that will help you fall asleep and stay asleep ( i. e. teas and aromatherapy ). i also suggested you remove artificially sweetened drinks.
take it as you wish.
kyshill
New Member
Joined: 26 Apr 2008
Posts: 11
Location: pa
Tue May 27, 2008 6: 49 am Post subject: well
while the diet colas may cause stalls in some, i am steadily losing a pound a day while drinking them. however, i am really really starting to think that is exactly what is causing the cramps and you are exactly right.
trying it tomorrow. i really hope thats what it is because i would hate to quit after making so much progress.
tonight i tried everything i found online, salt under the [ / icon_tongue. gif], mustard ( gross ), calcium, potassium, magnesium AND i drank a glass of milk and did 100 calf raises. I can tell before I even try to lay down i am already in pain.
anyway, i wasn ' t trying to argue with you. i ' m sorry, i am probably a little on edge from not sleeping for 4 days. i was being sincere when i said i appreciated your ideas. i actually did try the sleeping position last night. sigh. i guess if the soda doesn ' t help I am going to have to go seee the doctor. I am really desperate to try to make this diet work.
kyshill
New Member
Joined: 26 Apr 2008
Posts: 11
Location: pa
Wed May 28, 2008 2: 05 pm Post subject: welll
one day with no aspatarame. first day i slept well in a week.
i was willing to defend my diet cola drinking to the end but as it turns out, i was wrong.
for anyone suffering cramps not easing up with potassium etc, please read up on aspartame. i am convinced it is poison now.
Hood Carb Countdown Now Calorie Countdown
Packaging for low - carb chocolate milk from Hood has changedFor people who are livin ' la vida low - carb and love chocolate milk ( LIKE ME! ), there is one and ONLY one brand of low - carb chocolate milk that beats all the rest by a mile - - Carb Countdown from Hood. This stuff is amazingly good and tastes so rich and creamy you ' ll never know you ' re drinking a " diet " product! But, as we have seen with other companies who have scrubbed anything having to do with low - carb from their product names, Hood has decided to change the name of their Carb Countdown milk to Calorie Countdown instead. This is the EXACT same product made with the EXACT same ingredients and build in the EXACT same number of calories, carbs, sugar and fat as the Carb Countdown product did. But we can ' t offend any of our customers by having that awful " Carb " word on our products anymore now can we, Hood obviously thinks! It is funny how the Calorie Countdown packaging is almost an exact duplicate of the Carb Countdown packaging, including the font and size of the name of the product as well as the signs of " 84 % fewer carbs " ( that ' s funny, the Carb Countdown only had 80 % less carbs! ) and " 90 % less sugar. " The only other difference is they point out it has " 60 % fewer calories. " Many of you had complained that your local supermarket and food stores pulled Hood Carb Countdown from their shelf. Well, now this may explain why they did and will, maybe, now bring back the new packaging since anything that deals with calories MUST be good ( HA! - - why else would these bizarre 100 - calorie food products be such a hit with consumers?! ). Hood Carb Countdown was officially approved by AtkinsBefore Atkins Nutritionals, Inc. ran into cash problems with their bankruptcy last August, their famous logo was placed on a number of products on supermarket shelves as " Atkins - friendly " foods to eat, including the Hood Carb Countdown milk. That was one of the reasons I decided to start drinking that name - brand of milk since regular milk was much too high in carbs for me during my weight loss phase. When I was in the midst of losing 180 pounds in 2004, Hood Carb Countdown chocolate milk was a real lifesaver for me. As long as I could drink a glass of this thick, rich stuff, I never felt deprived of something I enjoyed so much as a kid and into my adult life. I ' m glad they have decided to keep this product alive because it really is fantastic and good for you compared to the high - sugar alternatives. I just confusion how many new people to livin ' la vida low - carb will know Calorie Countdown milk is acceptable for them to use. As I alluded to in my book " Livin ' La Vida Low - Carb, " the more " low - carb " products go away or change their name, the wiser you must become as a food shopper. Always read your labels whether the food claims to be low - carb or not and YOU at last drive whether it fits in your new lifestyle or not. You ' re a smart cookie ( sugar - free, of course! ) and can make prudent choices on your own about what to buy. Don ' t be afraid to check the nutritional facts on EVERYTHING you purchase because it could save a lot of headaches down the road for you. Word to the wise. Hood made low - carb juices, but they recently antiquated themHowever, speaking of Hood products, one of the casualties of the move away from low - carb was their Carb Countdown juices that had 75 % less carbs and 90 % less sugar than regular orange juice. I tried these juices myself, but I didn ' t like them too much because I ' m just not a juice kinda guy. But one of my blog readers was an enthusiastic lover of the Hood Carb Countdown juices and is now " VERY, VERY, VERY disappointed " they are no longer available. Here ' s what he wrote to me: " [The Carb Countdown juices] were a staple every morning for me, I even kept about four 1 / 2 gallons in the fridge at all times just so I wouldn ' t dash out. " That sounds like someone who really likes juice and was smart enough to buy something that wouldn ' t cause his blood sugar to spike like the sugar - loaded regular fruit juices would cause ( The Hood fruit juice was like sugar with Splenda and ACE - K ). But now he ' s desperate for another low - carb alternative juice. " Has anyone heard of a comparable low - carb breakfast juice? Juice is a very important part of any diet because it ' s so rich in vitamin C - - but it has to be low carb juice made with Splenda because you ' re 100 % correct about the standard fare which is loaded with sugar and just one small glassful will throw you right out of livin ' la vida low - carb. " I don ' t know of any other juices that are low - carb, but I may have missed some others since I don ' t regularly look for low - carb juice. Do any of my wonderfully faithful low - carb readers know about other low - carb juice options? If you want to supplement your diet with Vitamin C, then just take a Vitamin - C supplement. But it does look like my reader wants his juice back.: ) " Actually, it really ticks me off to see the supermarket loaded up with 5, 000 different varieties of juice and us low - carbers cannot even have a thimbleful of any of ' em because NONE of ' em are low - carb. " What imagery! The frustration for low - carbers continues in 2006 as we are a large market waiting for companies to step up to the plate offering us what we want and need for our healthy way of eating. If Hood has abandoned us by the removal of their low - carb fruit juices and there are no other alternatives available for people on low - carb, then where is the entrepreneurial spirit of a company in the United States of America to fill this void in the marketplace? Is there not even ONE company brave enough to pick up where Hood left off and give us low - carbers a choice in this? Surely there is a company or two who could make and market a very low - sugar, low - carb fruit juice that diabetics and low - carbers alike can use as part of their healthy lifestyle change. You don ' t even have to call it " carb " anything, but let us know on the packaging that it is " low - sugar " or contains " less carbs " so we will at least take a look at your product. Regular OJ has an unbelievable 30g sugar carbs in every 8 - ounce glass and, as my reader noted, that ' s WAY too much for us which necessitates us looking for alternatives. If you would like to contact Hood regarding their name change on their low - carb milk products and / or their decision to stop making their low - carb fruit juices, then use this contact page to make your voice heard. Maybe they think the millions of us low - carbers have gone back to counting calories again to manage our weight and health. NOT! 7 - 2 - 06 UPDATE: Well, I decided to go shopping at one of my local grocery stores in the Spartanburg, SC area today to pick up some of this new Hood Calorie Countdown milk and lo and behold, looky what came spitting out of the coupons machine at my friendly neighborhood Ingles: Click on the coupon to see a larger imageIt appears Hood is putting some marketing dollars behind promoting this " new " product to the public and they are even highlighting that it has " fewer carbs. " So why couldn ' t they do this when they had Carb Countdown milk, hmmm? It ' s about as disgusting as the Coca - Cola company pushing Coke Zero heavily with advertising dollars while they completely ignored their similar product Diet Coke with Splenda. Will they repackage Diet Coke with Splenda into Razmatazz Diet Coke and keep the same ingredients, except this time support it with adequate marketing? You know, some of these companies just don ' t have a lick of common sense sometimes, IMHO!
posted by Jimmy Moore at 7 / 02 / 2006 02: 49: 00 PM
12 Comments:
Newbirth said...
I liked the milk, but never cared for the juices. And I can ' t get the milk where I live so I have to make do with soy milk.
7 / 02 / 2006 7: 27 PM TESS said...
Crystal Light makes a sunrise orange and a ruby red grapefruit that I use for my morning juice.
7 / 03 / 2006 7: 41 AM diamondwife said...
Ditto on the crystal light. I use them as well and I think they taste great!
7 / 03 / 2006 11: 29 AM Leigh said...
I picked up my Carb Countdown today and got one of those check - out generated coupons for " Calorie Countdown. " At least they are still going to make it. We never did have the juices here. But I will have to give the crystal light a try - I like their flavored teas.
7 / 03 / 2006 5: 53 PM Newbirth said...
Trust me, Leigh. The juice was NOTHING like regular juice. It had more in common with crystal light than juice. After the first time, I never bought it again.
7 / 03 / 2006 9: 33 PM 1Peter3 said...
What was in the juice? I never saw the juice in the stores, but the picture on Jimmy ' s blog indicates that it must have had at least some real orange juice in it, since they can ' t call it a " juice beverage " if it doesn ' t have real juice in it, and it still had some sugars and carbs in it. For those who want to try to duplicate the juice, why not figure out how many carbs you would have gotten from the Hood product, and proportionately mix real orange juice with orange flavored crystal light or other artificially sweetened orange drink. Or better yet, mix the juice with water, splenda and / or stevia and orange extract and / or orange oil to make a similar ( and quite possibly better tasting ) product? Maybe I ' m missing something vital here though, so feel free to correct me if I ' m just misinformed about what was in it.
7 / 04 / 2006 10: 37 AM Single Dad in NY said...
Crystal Lite Sunrise, or Koolaid Sugar free. Great stuff!
7 / 04 / 2006 1: 06 PM Bella and Blessing said...
I am SOOO glad to hear Hood Milk is still around! Unfortunately they did discontinue carrying it at my local grocery, tho.
8 / 03 / 2006 6: 11 PM Big Daddy D said...
Diet Ocean Spray is fairly low in carbs. My wife likes the orange. To me, the orange doesn ' t really taste like orange juice. But, we both love their diet cranberry juice which has only 3 carbs per 8 oz. serving. Add a little Vodka, and you have a nice cocktail.
2 / 05 / 2007 2: 38 PM melissa said...
so is it only ok to have this after you ' ve reached the owl phase? thanks!
2 / 03 / 2008 6: 39 PM Jimmy Moore said...
It ' s only 4g carbs, so this should be good anytime as long as you stay within your carb allowance.: )
2 / 03 / 2008 8: 02 PM Barry Hughes said...
Hood is a real life saver. I love milk and being able to drink it is almost like having your cake and eating it too!
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Newbirth said...
I liked the milk, but never cared for the juices. And I can ' t get the milk where I live so I have to make do with soy milk.
7 / 02 / 2006 7: 27 PM TESS said...
Crystal Light makes a sunrise orange and a ruby red grapefruit that I use for my morning juice.
7 / 03 / 2006 7: 41 AM diamondwife said...
Ditto on the crystal light. I use them as well and I think they taste great!
7 / 03 / 2006 11: 29 AM Leigh said...
I picked up my Carb Countdown today and got one of those check - out generated coupons for " Calorie Countdown. " At least they are still going to make it. We never did have the juices here. But I will have to give the crystal light a try - I like their flavored teas.
7 / 03 / 2006 5: 53 PM Newbirth said...
Trust me, Leigh. The juice was NOTHING like regular juice. It had more in common with crystal light than juice. After the first time, I never bought it again.
7 / 03 / 2006 9: 33 PM 1Peter3 said...
What was in the juice? I never saw the juice in the stores, but the picture on Jimmy ' s blog indicates that it must have had at least some real orange juice in it, since they can ' t call it a " juice beverage " if it doesn ' t have real juice in it, and it still had some sugars and carbs in it. For those who want to try to duplicate the juice, why not figure out how many carbs you would have gotten from the Hood product, and proportionately mix real orange juice with orange flavored crystal light or other artificially sweetened orange drink. Or better yet, mix the juice with water, splenda and / or stevia and orange extract and / or orange oil to make a similar ( and quite possibly better tasting ) product? Maybe I ' m missing something vital here though, so feel free to correct me if I ' m just misinformed about what was in it.
7 / 04 / 2006 10: 37 AM Single Dad in NY said...
Crystal Lite Sunrise, or Koolaid Sugar free. Great stuff!
7 / 04 / 2006 1: 06 PM Bella and Blessing said...
I am SOOO glad to hear Hood Milk is still around! Unfortunately they did discontinue carrying it at my local grocery, tho.
8 / 03 / 2006 6: 11 PM Big Daddy D said...
Diet Ocean Spray is fairly low in carbs. My wife likes the orange. To me, the orange doesn ' t really taste like orange juice. But, we both love their diet cranberry juice which has only 3 carbs per 8 oz. serving. Add a little Vodka, and you have a nice cocktail.
2 / 05 / 2007 2: 38 PM melissa said...
so is it only ok to have this after you ' ve reached the owl phase? thanks!
2 / 03 / 2008 6: 39 PM Jimmy Moore said...
It ' s only 4g carbs, so this should be good anytime as long as you stay within your carb allowance.: )
2 / 03 / 2008 8: 02 PM Barry Hughes said...
Hood is a real life saver. I love milk and being able to drink it is almost like having your cake and eating it too!
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arsieiuni
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 4: 52 pm Post subject: Soy Milk on Induction?
I was in the store yesterday and there was a great soy milk product called 8th Continent with only 3 Carbs per serving. I THINK it may have been carbs from sugar, maybe? I don ' t recall because I didn ' t think of that til today... But My question is... are soy milks and other soy products okay for induction or are they a no?
The added sugar thing... I ' m constantly seeing mentions of it. Have I read over and forgotten some rule about " NO ADDED SUGAR IN ANYTHING!! "?
lol I probably have. I ' m avoiding sugar currently but just want to know....
Thanks!
Shei
KypDurron
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 4: 54 pm Post subject:
The concern of Dr. A is that things with direct sugars repeatedly hit people right away and cause cravings.
arsieiuni
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 6: 13 pm Post subject:
So should the soy milk be a no - no if it has 2 - 3 g of added sugars? How can I tell if it ' s added and not natural sugar?
KypDurron
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 6: 18 pm Post subject:
I think your missing what his concern was... its not that the carbs are necessarily going to kick you out of ketosis because they are sugar, its two fold.
Number 1: the serving size is small, hard to stay with just the 3 carbs.
Number 2: The odds it will push you to add a bit more or to go for something else sweet is the concern.
Not exactly how many carbs it has when it comes to things that first off haev added sugar, more the instant insulin impact which causes some people to crack.
ON this aspect, its a mental thing.
KypDurron
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 6: 20 pm Post subject:
8oz sounds great till you rain it.
Personally I won ' t buy anything that i might LIKE.. but that has a lot of carbs if I cant keep the servings down.
arsieiuni
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 6: 55 pm Post subject:
But I / can / limit my serving size. The irregular milk would be a boon to me. I don ' t mind 8 oz at a time. I actually have been conscious of serving sizes for a long time. I ' ve been eating small, frequent meals for years and I use 8 ounce glasses.
So if I count the carbs, can I drink that soy milk on induction? I would use it occasionally. Should I try it an check ketones the next day?
Thanks Kyp!
arsieiuni
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 7: 01 pm Post subject:
But I / can / limit my serving size. The intermittent milk would be a boon to me. I don ' t mind 8 oz at a time. I actually have been conscious of serving sizes for a long time. I ' ve been eating small, frequent meals for years and I use 8 ounce glasses.
So if I count the carbs, can I drink that soy milk on induction? I would use it occasionally. Should I try it an check ketones the next day?
Thanks Kyp!
Tril
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 9: 27 pm Post subject:
The most basic rule of Induction is this... do not eat anything but the foods on the list.
Is soy milk on the list?
Here is one of the FAQ from the Atkins website:
" If I stay at 20 grams of Net Carbs a day, why can ' t I have some in the form of a slice of whole grain bread or even a peanut butter cup, which has 20 grams of carbs?
There are two reasons this approach won ' t work. For one, all carbohydrates are not created equal. The Atkins Nutritional Approach is designed to prevent blood sugar levels from spiking and causing the overproduction of insulin—a hormone that helps convert carbohydrates to body fat. The first carbohydrates you need to add back to your diet when you move beyond Induction are more vegetables, then seeds and nuts, then berries and then—if you are still losing—legumes and grains. Even bread made from 100 percent whole - wheat flour contains enough refined carbs to produce this insulin - raising, fat - storing effect in many people. Later, if your weight loss is progressing well and you have increased your daily carb intake, you may eat an occasional slice of whole grain bread. As for the 20 - gram peanut butter cup, it contains a lot of sugar—not to mention artery - clogging hydrogenated fat and sugar is the worst kind of carbohydrate.
Secondly, the Atkins approach is not about rapid weight loss—it ' s about learning to eat a variety of nutrient - dense carbohydrates for the rest of your life. These are foods that are packed with the most antioxidant vitamins and healthful phytochemicals relative to the amount of carbohydrates—so you ' re getting the most bang for your carbohydrate buck. Once you ' ve reached your goal weight and established your personal Atkins Carbohydrate Equilibrium ( ACE ), most people can enjoy whole - grain bread, fruit and even the occasional plate of french fries. Unfortunately, that conventional peanut butter cup just doesn ' t make the grade! "
I wouldn ' t add it to your Induction, but later on in OWL you might try it. None of the lists for Induction, OWL or pre - maintenance phases has soy milk on it... or even tofu or edemame. I found soy milk listed in the carb counter section of my 2003 edition of Atkins Eating For Life book. On the Atkins ' site they have tofu in the online carb counter. There ' s not enough protein in the liquid for it to count as a protein source.
Once you ' re out of Induction an into OWL you can try adding soy milk... I wouldn ' t add it first though. Since soy is a legume, you might want to wait until later in OWL. But it ' s up to you.
Tril
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 9: 30 pm Post subject:
Hi there arsieiuni ~ I would love to be able to drink milk again. A nice big glass of cold milk. I tried soy milk once and I hated it ( not when I wad doing low carb ). I once was drinking this product which was Atkins approved. It was called carb countdown ( milk and chocolate milk ) and it had the atkins seal of approval but they changed the name to calorie countdown and took off the seal of approval when Atkins went bankrupt or something like that but its the exact same thing. I honestly thought this tasted better than milk. I don ' t know though if this might affect your weight loss or anything like that so please check it out before you buy it / try it. I can ' t wait to get some but I ' m going to wait until I am closer to my ideal weight.
http: / / livinlavidalocarb. blogspot. com / 2006 / 07 / hood - carb - countdown - now - calorie. html
http: / / www. hphood. com / promos / caloriecountdown / default. aspx? id=1494
arsieiuni
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 9: 49 pm Post subject:
Tril,
Thanks! You have convinced me not to try the soy milk just now.
I will stick to the food list. I hadn ' t realized just how important it was to not stray from that list but I get it now I think. [ / icon_smile. gif]
I ' m sorry. I don ' t mean to be so dense about it!
Vanessa,
That looks great! Maybe once I hit later stages I can try it! [ / icon_smile. gif]
Thanks all of you so much for your help in resolving this problem! I wanted milk somehow but losing weight is worth the wait! lol
curvgirldawn
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Sat Jul 26, 2008 9: 22 pm Post subject: SOY SLENDER
Hello
Here is a link to a 1 carb Soy Milk and there are no carbs from sugar and it is sweetend with Splenda I think. So I think you may be safe drinking this on induction
http: / / www. westsoy. biz / products / slender. php
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arsieiuni
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 4: 52 pm Post subject: Soy Milk on Induction?
I was in the store yesterday and there was a great soy milk product called 8th Continent with only 3 Carbs per serving. I THINK it may have been carbs from sugar, maybe? I don ' t recall because I didn ' t think of that til today... But My question is... are soy milks and other soy products okay for induction or are they a no?
The added sugar thing... I ' m constantly seeing mentions of it. Have I read over and forgotten some rule about " NO ADDED SUGAR IN ANYTHING!! "?
lol I probably have. I ' m avoiding sugar currently but just want to know....
Thanks!
Shei
KypDurron
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 4: 54 pm Post subject:
The concern of Dr. A is that things with direct sugars repeatedly hit people right away and cause cravings.
arsieiuni
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Joined: 15 Jul 2008
Posts: 125
Footing: Alabama
Mon Jul 21, 2008 6: 13 pm Post subject:
So should the soy milk be a no - no if it has 2 - 3 g of added sugars? How can I tell if it ' s added and not natural sugar?
KypDurron
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Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Posts: 427
Direction: Wisconsin
Mon Jul 21, 2008 6: 18 pm Post subject:
I think your missing what his concern was... its not that the carbs are necessarily going to kick you out of ketosis because they are sugar, its two fold.
Number 1: the serving size is small, hard to stay with just the 3 carbs.
Number 2: The odds it will push you to add a bit more or to go for something else sweet is the concern.
Not exactly how many carbs it has when it comes to things that first off haev added sugar, more the instant insulin impact which causes some people to crack.
ON this aspect, its a mental thing.
KypDurron
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Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Posts: 427
Location: Wisconsin
Mon Jul 21, 2008 6: 20 pm Post subject:
8oz sounds great till you rain it.
Personally I won ' t buy anything that i might LIKE.. but that has a lot of carbs if I cant keep the servings down.
arsieiuni
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Joined: 15 Jul 2008
Posts: 125
Locale: Alabama
Mon Jul 21, 2008 6: 55 pm Post subject:
But I / can / limit my serving size. The irregular milk would be a boon to me. I don ' t mind 8 oz at a time. I actually have been conscious of serving sizes for a long time. I ' ve been eating small, frequent meals for years and I use 8 ounce glasses.
So if I count the carbs, can I drink that soy milk on induction? I would use it occasionally. Should I try it an check ketones the next day?
Thanks Kyp!
arsieiuni
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Joined: 15 Jul 2008
Posts: 125
Stage: Alabama
Mon Jul 21, 2008 7: 01 pm Post subject:
But I / can / limit my serving size. The intermittent milk would be a boon to me. I don ' t mind 8 oz at a time. I actually have been conscious of serving sizes for a long time. I ' ve been eating small, frequent meals for years and I use 8 ounce glasses.
So if I count the carbs, can I drink that soy milk on induction? I would use it occasionally. Should I try it an check ketones the next day?
Thanks Kyp!
Tril
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Joined: 27 May 2008
Posts: 1325
Where: ( very ) Northeastern USA
Mon Jul 21, 2008 9: 27 pm Post subject:
The most basic rule of Induction is this... do not eat anything but the foods on the list.
Is soy milk on the list?
Here is one of the FAQ from the Atkins website:
" If I stay at 20 grams of Net Carbs a day, why can ' t I have some in the form of a slice of whole grain bread or even a peanut butter cup, which has 20 grams of carbs?
There are two reasons this approach won ' t work. For one, all carbohydrates are not created equal. The Atkins Nutritional Approach is designed to prevent blood sugar levels from spiking and causing the overproduction of insulin—a hormone that helps convert carbohydrates to body fat. The first carbohydrates you need to add back to your diet when you move beyond Induction are more vegetables, then seeds and nuts, then berries and then—if you are still losing—legumes and grains. Even bread made from 100 percent whole - wheat flour contains enough refined carbs to produce this insulin - raising, fat - storing effect in many people. Later, if your weight loss is progressing well and you have increased your daily carb intake, you may eat an occasional slice of whole grain bread. As for the 20 - gram peanut butter cup, it contains a lot of sugar—not to mention artery - clogging hydrogenated fat and sugar is the worst kind of carbohydrate.
Secondly, the Atkins approach is not about rapid weight loss—it ' s about learning to eat a variety of nutrient - dense carbohydrates for the rest of your life. These are foods that are packed with the most antioxidant vitamins and healthful phytochemicals relative to the amount of carbohydrates—so you ' re getting the most bang for your carbohydrate buck. Once you ' ve reached your goal weight and established your personal Atkins Carbohydrate Equilibrium ( ACE ), most people can enjoy whole - grain bread, fruit and even the occasional plate of french fries. Unfortunately, that conventional peanut butter cup just doesn ' t make the grade! "
I wouldn ' t add it to your Induction, but later on in OWL you might try it. None of the lists for Induction, OWL or pre - maintenance phases has soy milk on it... or even tofu or edemame. I found soy milk listed in the carb counter section of my 2003 edition of Atkins Eating For Life book. On the Atkins ' site they have tofu in the online carb counter. There ' s not enough protein in the liquid for it to count as a protein source.
Once you ' re out of Induction an into OWL you can try adding soy milk... I wouldn ' t add it first though. Since soy is a legume, you might want to wait until later in OWL. But it ' s up to you.
Tril
vanessa
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 9: 30 pm Post subject:
Hi there arsieiuni ~ I would love to be able to drink milk again. A nice big glass of cold milk. I tried soy milk once and I hated it ( not when I wad doing low carb ). I once was drinking this product which was Atkins approved. It was called carb countdown ( milk and chocolate milk ) and it had the atkins seal of approval but they changed the name to calorie countdown and took off the seal of approval when Atkins went bankrupt or something like that but its the exact same thing. I honestly thought this tasted better than milk. I don ' t know though if this might affect your weight loss or anything like that so please check it out before you buy it / try it. I can ' t wait to get some but I ' m going to wait until I am closer to my ideal weight.
http: / / livinlavidalocarb. blogspot. com / 2006 / 07 / hood - carb - countdown - now - calorie. html
http: / / www. hphood. com / promos / caloriecountdown / default. aspx? id=1494
arsieiuni
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 9: 49 pm Post subject:
Tril,
Thanks! You have convinced me not to try the soy milk just now.
I will stick to the food list. I hadn ' t realized just how important it was to not stray from that list but I get it now I think. [ / icon_smile. gif]
I ' m sorry. I don ' t mean to be so dense about it!
Vanessa,
That looks great! Maybe once I hit later stages I can try it! [ / icon_smile. gif]
Thanks all of you so much for your help in resolving this problem! I wanted milk somehow but losing weight is worth the wait! lol
curvgirldawn
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Posts: 123
Sat Jul 26, 2008 9: 22 pm Post subject: SOY SLENDER
Hello
Here is a link to a 1 carb Soy Milk and there are no carbs from sugar and it is sweetend with Splenda I think. So I think you may be safe drinking this on induction
http: / / www. westsoy. biz / products / slender. php
Back on track and DH maybe jumping on board as well...
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Mon May 26, 2008 5: 38 pm Post subject: Back on track and DH maybe jumping on board as well...
I am so thrilled right now. Everytime I do a weight loss program ( which I have done so many of ) my husband says he will do what ever I need to help me out. This last time I told him " Thanks, but the only way you can really help me is to do it with me ". He responded ( surprisingly ) with, ok, whatever it takes I will do it with you. Now he like his chocolate and snack foods so when he said he would do low carb with me I was flaborgasted. Right now it is on a trial basis but he is doing dynamite. He lost 6 lbs from yesterday today. I started on Saturday and have lost 5 lbs in 2 days. I am happy with that. I just need a lot of motivation to stick with this. I am really hoping that DH will stick with it as well, that would make it much easier to do.
Wish us Luck!!!!
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Good luck to both of you, you ' re doing great!!
Just keep us posted. [ / icon_smile. gif]
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That ' s great! And it will make preparing meals, and even choosing restaurants so much easier!
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Wed May 28, 2008 1: 28 pm Post subject:
my hubby has lost weight just from eating the atkins way at dinner time i dont think he exactly knows hes eating the atkins way. he just eats whatever i cook for dinner and i dont really think he has paid much attention that the bread and potatoes are gone he hopped on the scale the other day and was suprised to see he is ten lbs lighter so i think its been good for the both of us... so good luck to you and your husband
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Mon May 26, 2008 5: 38 pm Post subject: Back on track and DH maybe jumping on board as well...
I am so thrilled right now. Everytime I do a weight loss program ( which I have done so many of ) my husband says he will do what ever I need to help me out. This last time I told him " Thanks, but the only way you can really help me is to do it with me ". He responded ( surprisingly ) with, ok, whatever it takes I will do it with you. Now he like his chocolate and snack foods so when he said he would do low carb with me I was flaborgasted. Right now it is on a trial basis but he is doing dynamite. He lost 6 lbs from yesterday today. I started on Saturday and have lost 5 lbs in 2 days. I am happy with that. I just need a lot of motivation to stick with this. I am really hoping that DH will stick with it as well, that would make it much easier to do.
Wish us Luck!!!!
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Tue May 27, 2008 12: 46 pm Post subject:
Good luck to both of you, you ' re doing great!!
Just keep us posted. [ / icon_smile. gif]
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That ' s great! And it will make preparing meals, and even choosing restaurants so much easier!
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Wed May 28, 2008 1: 28 pm Post subject:
my hubby has lost weight just from eating the atkins way at dinner time i dont think he exactly knows hes eating the atkins way. he just eats whatever i cook for dinner and i dont really think he has paid much attention that the bread and potatoes are gone he hopped on the scale the other day and was suprised to see he is ten lbs lighter so i think its been good for the both of us... so good luck to you and your husband
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Sat May 24, 2008 12: 52 am Post subject: net carbs
I have a question about net carbs. Alot of the Atkins candy talks of net carbs which I am guessing is total carbs minus dietary fiber and sugar alcohol. Do most people count carbs this way. My original posting was about my daughter who just started the diet and has gained weight. Sis has been eating some of the candy.
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Your daughter should be sticking only to the foods on the acceptable foods list for induction. Candy should not be eaten during induction.
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Tue May 27, 2008 12: 31 am Post subject:
For the first 2 weeks you aren ' t supposed to eat anything not listed on the acceptable foods list but for me I would rather eat a piece of sugar free candy or some strawberries with whipped cream to get me through. I may not lose nearly as slow but I won ' t completely get off track that way. You are supposed to subtract dietary fiber and sugar alcohols from the total carb count to get you what are called net carbs.
Good Luck to your daughter!!!
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Wed May 28, 2008 1: 32 am Post subject:
Thanks for your reply, I think she feels the same way about the candy, but she really has limited it to maybe one piece every other day or two. She did weigh and actually hand ' t gained but hadn ' t lost either. She is staying the course though which is really tough right now cause she has graduation parties almost every night, with amazing food. So far she has resisted. I ' m really proud of her.
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Sat May 24, 2008 12: 52 am Post subject: net carbs
I have a question about net carbs. Alot of the Atkins candy talks of net carbs which I am guessing is total carbs minus dietary fiber and sugar alcohol. Do most people count carbs this way. My original posting was about my daughter who just started the diet and has gained weight. Sis has been eating some of the candy.
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Sat May 24, 2008 1: 16 am Post subject:
Your daughter should be sticking only to the foods on the acceptable foods list for induction. Candy should not be eaten during induction.
smerbear
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Tue May 27, 2008 12: 31 am Post subject:
For the first 2 weeks you aren ' t supposed to eat anything not listed on the acceptable foods list but for me I would rather eat a piece of sugar free candy or some strawberries with whipped cream to get me through. I may not lose nearly as slow but I won ' t completely get off track that way. You are supposed to subtract dietary fiber and sugar alcohols from the total carb count to get you what are called net carbs.
Good Luck to your daughter!!!
kemmmp
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Wed May 28, 2008 1: 32 am Post subject:
Thanks for your reply, I think she feels the same way about the candy, but she really has limited it to maybe one piece every other day or two. She did weigh and actually hand ' t gained but hadn ' t lost either. She is staying the course though which is really tough right now cause she has graduation parties almost every night, with amazing food. So far she has resisted. I ' m really proud of her.
Started Jogging
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robaleena
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Mate May 21, 2008 1: 29 am Post subject: Started Jogging
Started atkins a month ago and am now jogging. I started out at 240 and am now at 214!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So very happy! Does anyone have any experience with jogging on atkins. I started today and could only last 30 almanac. I am going to try 30 magazine a day and see what happens!
kirstyb1
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Fuse May 21, 2008 9: 23 am Post subject:
wow i think thats great, i dont think i could take over 10secs let alone 10mins
good luck with it
xx
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Juxtapose May 21, 2008 9: 32 am Post subject:
Thirty calendar is brilliant! Go you! [ / icon_cool. gif]
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Blend May 21, 2008 9: 55 am Post subject:
Wow. Congrats. Thats great. I joined a gym and am going to be doing 2 hours of cardio every day ( so I say ) so hopefully the pounds will drop off faster like that.
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Connect May 21, 2008 3: 29 pm Post subject:
jogging is unquestionably fine on Atkins. Just make sure you eat 90 almanac beforehand ( boiled egg will do ), have high grade running shoes ( look for extra support in the heels ), race on softer surafces ( tarmac is hard on your shins and joints ) and be sure to eat protein within 60 magazine AFTER the dart.
Happy trails! [ / icon_cool. gif]
Caoimhe
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Knit May 21, 2008 3: 32 pm Post subject:
Does the eating 90 mins before and 60 mins after rule further to all exercise?
wheresmycoat
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Wed May 21, 2008 3: 43 pm Post subject:
its a good practice. i used to be a triathlete and know training very well. Here is the logic behind the eating....
BEFORE WORKOUT:
As we are cutting out carbs, which many athletes use for endurance training and general exercise, its best to give the body a little food to fuel the workout. Not at lot, or you will feel sick but a little snack. I normally go for a handful of nuts, piece of cheese, grilled chicken breast or an egg 90 minutes before workout. Do not eat within 60 minutes before exercising!
AFTER WORKOUT: The body needs to feel that after a hard workout ( equivalent to hunting food in cave man terms ), that it will be rewarded with food. otherwise, if it exercises and receives no nourishment, it will think it will starve and hold on to fat like mad to survive. Even a simple hard - boiled egg is plenty of food and sends the right message to your brain.
As a general rule, its best to eat a little bit several times throughout the day. This speeds up your metabolism!!
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Wed May 28, 2008 7: 53 am Post subject: Re: Started Jogging
If you are only just starting jogging, it might be better to jog every other day for the first week or two.
Bri
robaleena wrote:
Started atkins a month ago and am now jogging. I started out at 240 and am now at 214!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So very happy! Does anyone have any experience with jogging on atkins. I started today and could only last 30 minutes. I am going to try 30 minutes a day and see what happens!
sableshay
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Wed May 28, 2008 1: 15 pm Post subject:
wow you are doing awesome [ / icon_exclaim. gif] i used to go jogging im not sure i could do it anymore but you might have just motivated me to at least try [ / icon_biggrin. gif] keep up your good work your loss is very inspirational
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Mate May 21, 2008 1: 29 am Post subject: Started Jogging
Started atkins a month ago and am now jogging. I started out at 240 and am now at 214!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So very happy! Does anyone have any experience with jogging on atkins. I started today and could only last 30 almanac. I am going to try 30 magazine a day and see what happens!
kirstyb1
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Fuse May 21, 2008 9: 23 am Post subject:
wow i think thats great, i dont think i could take over 10secs let alone 10mins
good luck with it
xx
Caoimhe
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Juxtapose May 21, 2008 9: 32 am Post subject:
Thirty calendar is brilliant! Go you! [ / icon_cool. gif]
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Blend May 21, 2008 9: 55 am Post subject:
Wow. Congrats. Thats great. I joined a gym and am going to be doing 2 hours of cardio every day ( so I say ) so hopefully the pounds will drop off faster like that.
wheresmycoat
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Connect May 21, 2008 3: 29 pm Post subject:
jogging is unquestionably fine on Atkins. Just make sure you eat 90 almanac beforehand ( boiled egg will do ), have high grade running shoes ( look for extra support in the heels ), race on softer surafces ( tarmac is hard on your shins and joints ) and be sure to eat protein within 60 magazine AFTER the dart.
Happy trails! [ / icon_cool. gif]
Caoimhe
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Knit May 21, 2008 3: 32 pm Post subject:
Does the eating 90 mins before and 60 mins after rule further to all exercise?
wheresmycoat
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Wed May 21, 2008 3: 43 pm Post subject:
its a good practice. i used to be a triathlete and know training very well. Here is the logic behind the eating....
BEFORE WORKOUT:
As we are cutting out carbs, which many athletes use for endurance training and general exercise, its best to give the body a little food to fuel the workout. Not at lot, or you will feel sick but a little snack. I normally go for a handful of nuts, piece of cheese, grilled chicken breast or an egg 90 minutes before workout. Do not eat within 60 minutes before exercising!
AFTER WORKOUT: The body needs to feel that after a hard workout ( equivalent to hunting food in cave man terms ), that it will be rewarded with food. otherwise, if it exercises and receives no nourishment, it will think it will starve and hold on to fat like mad to survive. Even a simple hard - boiled egg is plenty of food and sends the right message to your brain.
As a general rule, its best to eat a little bit several times throughout the day. This speeds up your metabolism!!
miffin
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Wed May 28, 2008 7: 53 am Post subject: Re: Started Jogging
If you are only just starting jogging, it might be better to jog every other day for the first week or two.
Bri
robaleena wrote:
Started atkins a month ago and am now jogging. I started out at 240 and am now at 214!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So very happy! Does anyone have any experience with jogging on atkins. I started today and could only last 30 minutes. I am going to try 30 minutes a day and see what happens!
sableshay
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Wed May 28, 2008 1: 15 pm Post subject:
wow you are doing awesome [ / icon_exclaim. gif] i used to go jogging im not sure i could do it anymore but you might have just motivated me to at least try [ / icon_biggrin. gif] keep up your good work your loss is very inspirational
Rum and diet coke
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Tue Jul 22, 2008 12: 24 pm Post subject: Rum and diet coke
at a cuban themed party at the weekend. There will be a lot or Rum. Could i have 1, maybe 2 rum and diet cokes without things going pair shaped?
KypDurron
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Tue Jul 22, 2008 2: 56 pm Post subject:
Things dont go pear shaped but you cannot lose weight while your body burns the alcohol.
The body will use the alcohol energy before it goes back into burning the fats from ketosis.
karenjs
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Tue Jul 22, 2008 4: 40 pm Post subject:
Yep, no alcohol on Induction. During Induction, eat only what ' s on the Acceptable Foods list. Nothing else. This is the phase where you are switching your metabolism from burning carbs to burning fat. Don ' t mess around with anything not on the list.
You can add alcohol in later phases, though, in bounds. Dry wine, not sweet. Hard liquor rather than beer.
Tril
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Tue Jul 22, 2008 4: 54 pm Post subject:
Trea... if you ultimate to " break " the induction rules at this party, rum and diet coke would be your best choice. Just make sure it ' s a plain rum... not a flavored one. Coconut rum ( although delicious in diet coke ) has about 3 carbs per ounce. Stay away from that! Also... remember that alcohol can make you not care about what you ' re eating, either. Drinker beware. [ / icon_wink. gif]
As Kyp said... while your body is metabolizing alcohol it will NOT be metabolizing fat. As long as it ' s in your system ( not just while you ' re actually drinking ) you will be in " pause "... add some carbs and you ' re going to be launched out of ketosis. Plan to add another day or two to Induction... longer if you eat poorly, too.
In the end, only you can decide if the consequences are worth it. Maybe they are, maybe they aren ' t. At least you ' ve been warned.
Tril
treacletart
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 7: 54 am Post subject:
Thank you all. I think I shall probably have 1. No more. I have been on induction for several weeks now and am contemplating moving on to the next stage. The thought of raspberries is too much!
As long as I just have the 1 drink then I won ' t be tempted to tuck into the rice and beans.
I was packing my fiances ' s lunch yesterday morning and I had bought a doughnut for him and I had the biggest urge to shove the doughnut in my mouth. For a second I literally lost control and the doughnut seemed to be controlling me. I managed to put it down and walk away and told my fiance that he had to finish packing his own lunch. So strange as I am around chocolate and sweets all the time and normally just fine. Pleased that I managed to gain control again, but scary that I nearly put it in my mouth
Anyway, it is my 33rd birthday tomorrow and obviously won ' t be having cake but my other half is taking me out to lunch ( day off work! ) and then we are going to walk on the beach. As I have lost weight I can wear a pretty dress and not look hefty.
KypDurron
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 2: 38 pm Post subject:
Even moving out of Induction to the other phases, be warned just a bit that Alcohol is in one of the much later stages....
Tril
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 3: 18 pm Post subject:
That ' s right... wine and alcohol isn ' t a choice until the 5th week of OWL.
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Tue Jul 22, 2008 12: 24 pm Post subject: Rum and diet coke
at a cuban themed party at the weekend. There will be a lot or Rum. Could i have 1, maybe 2 rum and diet cokes without things going pair shaped?
KypDurron
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Tue Jul 22, 2008 2: 56 pm Post subject:
Things dont go pear shaped but you cannot lose weight while your body burns the alcohol.
The body will use the alcohol energy before it goes back into burning the fats from ketosis.
karenjs
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Tue Jul 22, 2008 4: 40 pm Post subject:
Yep, no alcohol on Induction. During Induction, eat only what ' s on the Acceptable Foods list. Nothing else. This is the phase where you are switching your metabolism from burning carbs to burning fat. Don ' t mess around with anything not on the list.
You can add alcohol in later phases, though, in bounds. Dry wine, not sweet. Hard liquor rather than beer.
Tril
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Tue Jul 22, 2008 4: 54 pm Post subject:
Trea... if you ultimate to " break " the induction rules at this party, rum and diet coke would be your best choice. Just make sure it ' s a plain rum... not a flavored one. Coconut rum ( although delicious in diet coke ) has about 3 carbs per ounce. Stay away from that! Also... remember that alcohol can make you not care about what you ' re eating, either. Drinker beware. [ / icon_wink. gif]
As Kyp said... while your body is metabolizing alcohol it will NOT be metabolizing fat. As long as it ' s in your system ( not just while you ' re actually drinking ) you will be in " pause "... add some carbs and you ' re going to be launched out of ketosis. Plan to add another day or two to Induction... longer if you eat poorly, too.
In the end, only you can decide if the consequences are worth it. Maybe they are, maybe they aren ' t. At least you ' ve been warned.
Tril
treacletart
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 7: 54 am Post subject:
Thank you all. I think I shall probably have 1. No more. I have been on induction for several weeks now and am contemplating moving on to the next stage. The thought of raspberries is too much!
As long as I just have the 1 drink then I won ' t be tempted to tuck into the rice and beans.
I was packing my fiances ' s lunch yesterday morning and I had bought a doughnut for him and I had the biggest urge to shove the doughnut in my mouth. For a second I literally lost control and the doughnut seemed to be controlling me. I managed to put it down and walk away and told my fiance that he had to finish packing his own lunch. So strange as I am around chocolate and sweets all the time and normally just fine. Pleased that I managed to gain control again, but scary that I nearly put it in my mouth
Anyway, it is my 33rd birthday tomorrow and obviously won ' t be having cake but my other half is taking me out to lunch ( day off work! ) and then we are going to walk on the beach. As I have lost weight I can wear a pretty dress and not look hefty.
KypDurron
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 2: 38 pm Post subject:
Even moving out of Induction to the other phases, be warned just a bit that Alcohol is in one of the much later stages....
Tril
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 3: 18 pm Post subject:
That ' s right... wine and alcohol isn ' t a choice until the 5th week of OWL.
Tril
Atkins & Exercise
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Thu May 22, 2008 2: 05 pm Post subject: Atkins & Exercise
This may sound like a stupid question, but if I am already losing on average 2lbs a week ( which I ' ve read in the forum is pretty close to the max you can expect after induction ) will the introduction of exercise help to quicken weight loss, or will my body cleverly just readjust itself to continue the 2lbs a week loss even after introducing exercise?
I obviously know the health benefits of exercise ( beyond that of plainly losing weight ) however I ' m at a busy stage in my life at the moment, and only want to make the time surrender to exercise if it will further revive my weight loss.
Cheers,
Cory
karenjs
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Fri May 23, 2008 8: 37 pm Post subject:
Exercise will definitely speed up the weight loss.
Here ' s why:
1. First, the most explicit: exercise burns calories / fat / carbs. You can actually eat more food and still lose weight if you exercise strenuously.
2. If you increase the muscle in your body, your body will burn more calories / fat / carbs even while you ' re sleeping, because muscle requires more energy to perpetuate than fat does.
3. Exercise increases your metabolism and that increase stays with you for several hours after you ' re done exercising.
4. Exercise tones your muscles, so that your body looks firm instead of saggy ( as can happen with rapid weight loss without exercise ).
5. Exercise can shorten your appetite if you are in ketosis already. Immediately after exercise, your ketosis deepens, and that reduces your hunger.
6. It can improve your mood and that will help combat tendencies for emotional eating.
Dr Atkins called exercise non - negotiable.
miffin
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Wed May 28, 2008 7: 49 am Post subject: Re: Atkins & Exercise
Yep, get out there. It will definately help. Even if it is short walks.
Bri
Cory_T wrote:
This may sound like a stupid question, but if I am already losing on average 2lbs a week ( which I ' ve read in the forum is pretty close to the max you can expect after induction ) will the introduction of exercise help to accelerate weight loss, or will my body simply just readjust itself to maintain the 2lbs a week loss even after introducing exercise?
I obviously know the health benefits of exercise ( beyond that of simply losing weight ) however I ' m at a busy stage in my life at the moment, and only want to make the time sacrifice to exercise if it will further accelerate my weight loss.
Cheers,
Cory
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Thu May 22, 2008 2: 05 pm Post subject: Atkins & Exercise
This may sound like a stupid question, but if I am already losing on average 2lbs a week ( which I ' ve read in the forum is pretty close to the max you can expect after induction ) will the introduction of exercise help to quicken weight loss, or will my body cleverly just readjust itself to continue the 2lbs a week loss even after introducing exercise?
I obviously know the health benefits of exercise ( beyond that of plainly losing weight ) however I ' m at a busy stage in my life at the moment, and only want to make the time surrender to exercise if it will further revive my weight loss.
Cheers,
Cory
karenjs
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Fri May 23, 2008 8: 37 pm Post subject:
Exercise will definitely speed up the weight loss.
Here ' s why:
1. First, the most explicit: exercise burns calories / fat / carbs. You can actually eat more food and still lose weight if you exercise strenuously.
2. If you increase the muscle in your body, your body will burn more calories / fat / carbs even while you ' re sleeping, because muscle requires more energy to perpetuate than fat does.
3. Exercise increases your metabolism and that increase stays with you for several hours after you ' re done exercising.
4. Exercise tones your muscles, so that your body looks firm instead of saggy ( as can happen with rapid weight loss without exercise ).
5. Exercise can shorten your appetite if you are in ketosis already. Immediately after exercise, your ketosis deepens, and that reduces your hunger.
6. It can improve your mood and that will help combat tendencies for emotional eating.
Dr Atkins called exercise non - negotiable.
miffin
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Wed May 28, 2008 7: 49 am Post subject: Re: Atkins & Exercise
Yep, get out there. It will definately help. Even if it is short walks.
Bri
Cory_T wrote:
This may sound like a stupid question, but if I am already losing on average 2lbs a week ( which I ' ve read in the forum is pretty close to the max you can expect after induction ) will the introduction of exercise help to accelerate weight loss, or will my body simply just readjust itself to maintain the 2lbs a week loss even after introducing exercise?
I obviously know the health benefits of exercise ( beyond that of simply losing weight ) however I ' m at a busy stage in my life at the moment, and only want to make the time sacrifice to exercise if it will further accelerate my weight loss.
Cheers,
Cory
Is Flax okay for Induction?
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arsieiuni
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 2: 36 am Post subject: Is Flax okay for Induction?
Hi guys!
I just wondered if Flax is okay for Induction phase? I read that Flax is a great source of fiber for people on low - carb diets and I ' m eager to try some Flax recipes, but I also recall that the Induction list said something about " no seeds " and Flax is a seed.
So is this one okay since it ' s all fiber, no other carbs? Or should I avoid it too?
Just need to know!!
Thank you!
Shei
bluehex
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 3: 27 pm Post subject:
It ' s not exactly ALL fiber, but close enough. There are varying opinions on this; I ' d say, it ' s OK, but it ' s not offcicially on the Induction list.
arsieiuni
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 4: 44 pm Post subject:
My box says
Total Carb 4g
Dietary Fiber 4g
So doesn ' t it mean that all the carbs are Fiber? Meaning 0 net carbs?
Alright... I just wanted to make sure before I eat it because I don ' t want to ruin ketosis but I need something to help keep me from being constipated because water and veggie fiber so far isn ' t enough. I may have to take a supplement with this diet.
KypDurron
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 4: 52 pm Post subject:
Most supplements are in future flax seed or something like it anyway...
karenjs
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 4: 58 pm Post subject:
Yes, it ' s ok. Dr. Atkins actually recommended flax during Induction to prevent constipation. Psyllium husks are good also.
arsieiuni
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 5: 42 pm Post subject:
Hurray! Many thanks for clearing this up!
I ' m gonna make some stuff with Flax then!
I need it for regularity and MMm something that kinda sorta can replace flour to make a vaguely bread like item right? I have some ideas to try [ / icon_smile. gif]
Thanks all!
Shei
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 3: 09 am Post subject:
For relief of constipation you should use the seeds whole - on salad etc. I ' ve read it has more effect that way.
I use flax meal for a lot of different things. In the winter, flax meal + protein isolate ( I prefer soy ) + a little oat bran makes a really nice hot cereal.
arsieiuni
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 3: 15 am Post subject:
Thank you so much! That ' s a great idea!
I wanna try those muffins on the recipe board and today I made a fantastic discovery!!!! My local walmart has DAVINCI SYRUPS!!!!!! OMG I got HAZELNUT to try! It ' s my FAVORITE FLAVOR!
Thanks so much for the information guys!
Shei
Tril
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 12: 06 pm Post subject:
Bliss... if you have any prostate issue you should be careful consuming soy. Just throwing that out there... for more info on soy, pick up a copy of The Whole Soy Story. It ' s the book on soy that Gary Taubes ' book ( Good Calories Bad Calories ) is on low carb.
Tril
KypDurron
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 2: 32 pm Post subject:
Soy is nasty.
tanjicak
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Fri Jul 25, 2008 2: 41 pm Post subject:
Seeds, flaxseed
Nutrition Facts
Serving Size: 100g
Total Calories492. 000kcal
Total Fat34. 000g
Saturated Fatty Acids3. 196g
Monounsaturated Fatty Acids6. 868g
Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids22. 440g
Cholesterol0. 000mg
Sodium34. 000mg
Total Carbohydrates34. 250g
Dietary Fibre27. 900g
Sugars1. 050g
Protein
Water8. 750g
I have found this on internet
I cannot understand, if flax seed have 34 g CH per 100g, how they can be used in induction?
can somebody explain me please?
KypDurron
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Fri Jul 25, 2008 2: 52 pm Post subject:
I will explain, and also give a strongly worded suggestion to buy and read the Dr. Atkins diet books.
For 100 grams of Flax Seeds, they have 34 carbohydrates, and 27 grams of Dietary Fiber.
You are allowed to subtract Dietary Fiber from Carbohydrates, for a total of 7 Carbs for 100 grams of Flax Seed.
tanjicak
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Fri Jul 25, 2008 3: 06 pm Post subject:
Ok thank you
I understand now.
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arsieiuni
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 2: 36 am Post subject: Is Flax okay for Induction?
Hi guys!
I just wondered if Flax is okay for Induction phase? I read that Flax is a great source of fiber for people on low - carb diets and I ' m eager to try some Flax recipes, but I also recall that the Induction list said something about " no seeds " and Flax is a seed.
So is this one okay since it ' s all fiber, no other carbs? Or should I avoid it too?
Just need to know!!
Thank you!
Shei
bluehex
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 3: 27 pm Post subject:
It ' s not exactly ALL fiber, but close enough. There are varying opinions on this; I ' d say, it ' s OK, but it ' s not offcicially on the Induction list.
arsieiuni
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Posts: 125
Whereabouts: Alabama
Fri Jul 18, 2008 4: 44 pm Post subject:
My box says
Total Carb 4g
Dietary Fiber 4g
So doesn ' t it mean that all the carbs are Fiber? Meaning 0 net carbs?
Alright... I just wanted to make sure before I eat it because I don ' t want to ruin ketosis but I need something to help keep me from being constipated because water and veggie fiber so far isn ' t enough. I may have to take a supplement with this diet.
KypDurron
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Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Posts: 427
Locale: Wisconsin
Fri Jul 18, 2008 4: 52 pm Post subject:
Most supplements are in future flax seed or something like it anyway...
karenjs
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Posts: 544
Locale: San Jose
Fri Jul 18, 2008 4: 58 pm Post subject:
Yes, it ' s ok. Dr. Atkins actually recommended flax during Induction to prevent constipation. Psyllium husks are good also.
arsieiuni
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Joined: 15 Jul 2008
Posts: 125
Situation: Alabama
Fri Jul 18, 2008 5: 42 pm Post subject:
Hurray! Many thanks for clearing this up!
I ' m gonna make some stuff with Flax then!
I need it for regularity and MMm something that kinda sorta can replace flour to make a vaguely bread like item right? I have some ideas to try [ / icon_smile. gif]
Thanks all!
Shei
Bliss Pirate
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 3: 09 am Post subject:
For relief of constipation you should use the seeds whole - on salad etc. I ' ve read it has more effect that way.
I use flax meal for a lot of different things. In the winter, flax meal + protein isolate ( I prefer soy ) + a little oat bran makes a really nice hot cereal.
arsieiuni
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 3: 15 am Post subject:
Thank you so much! That ' s a great idea!
I wanna try those muffins on the recipe board and today I made a fantastic discovery!!!! My local walmart has DAVINCI SYRUPS!!!!!! OMG I got HAZELNUT to try! It ' s my FAVORITE FLAVOR!
Thanks so much for the information guys!
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 12: 06 pm Post subject:
Bliss... if you have any prostate issue you should be careful consuming soy. Just throwing that out there... for more info on soy, pick up a copy of The Whole Soy Story. It ' s the book on soy that Gary Taubes ' book ( Good Calories Bad Calories ) is on low carb.
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 2: 32 pm Post subject:
Soy is nasty.
tanjicak
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Fri Jul 25, 2008 2: 41 pm Post subject:
Seeds, flaxseed
Nutrition Facts
Serving Size: 100g
Total Calories492. 000kcal
Total Fat34. 000g
Saturated Fatty Acids3. 196g
Monounsaturated Fatty Acids6. 868g
Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids22. 440g
Cholesterol0. 000mg
Sodium34. 000mg
Total Carbohydrates34. 250g
Dietary Fibre27. 900g
Sugars1. 050g
Protein
Water8. 750g
I have found this on internet
I cannot understand, if flax seed have 34 g CH per 100g, how they can be used in induction?
can somebody explain me please?
KypDurron
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Fri Jul 25, 2008 2: 52 pm Post subject:
I will explain, and also give a strongly worded suggestion to buy and read the Dr. Atkins diet books.
For 100 grams of Flax Seeds, they have 34 carbohydrates, and 27 grams of Dietary Fiber.
You are allowed to subtract Dietary Fiber from Carbohydrates, for a total of 7 Carbs for 100 grams of Flax Seed.
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Fri Jul 25, 2008 3: 06 pm Post subject:
Ok thank you
I understand now.
Going back on induction to test a product for people.
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 6: 27 pm Post subject: Going back on induction to test a product for people.
I found a retailer near me that sells those ChocoPerfection bars, so I bought two milk chocolate and 2 dark chocolate.
I ' m gonna eat them this week and see what happens to my ketosis.
They claim that this new Oligofructose is a fiber and that consequently they can subtract all of its grams as dietary fiber, but its a fiber sweetener and I ' m just not sure.
We ' ll see. I ' m enthusiastic to yielding myself to test for you guys... see how kind I am?
Tril
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 7: 43 pm Post subject:
I dunno... don ' t do it for ME, Kyp... anything with the word " fructose " in it is off limits as far as I ' m concerned. They ' re equating fructose and trans fats as being equally bad for you.
KypDurron
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 7: 52 pm Post subject:
I dont trust it either but its supposedly some new fancy pants fructose thats low glycemic load from chicory root.
We ' ll see.
It ' s probably better for people than the atkins bars and people are eating those here, so if i can give them a better alternative, then that would be a good thing.
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 8: 00 pm Post subject:
Very true. [ / icon_smile. gif]
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 1: 47 am Post subject:
Well... it definitely tastes damn fine. I ate half a dark chocolate one and half a milk chocolate one for 200 cals and 16 carbs, minus 14 carbs of their " fiber " which also happens to be their sweetener, this oligofructose.
We ' ll see.
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 2: 55 am Post subject:
Do the calories add up? Meaning - fiber does not fit any calories - so all 200 calories should be responsible to fat, protein and the few carbs they claim.
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 3: 37 am Post subject:
Yeah the calories add up but I ' ve got a buffer, I ' m just looking to see gastrointestinal effect and what kind of ketosis effect they have.
THe claim is that this oligofructuse is the fiber as WELL as the sweetener, so they ' re at last subtracting the carbs from the item thats giving the carbs, which is standard for fiber, but considering this fiber is the sweetener as well, I ' m doubtful on it.
On the OTHER hand, if it ends up not being ketosis unfriendly, tomato literally sells bags of this oligofructose stuff as a sugar replacement for cooking.
So... we will see.
Tril
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 11: 47 am Post subject:
Kyp... you might enjoy reading this article from the Journal of Nutrition:
http: / / jn. nutrition. org / cgi / content / full / 129 / 7 / 1424S
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 2: 53 pm Post subject:
Well reading that it sounds as if her claims are kind of accurate. It may not be dietary fiber in the sense of helping regularity very much but it would appear that you can count the fibers against the carb count... at least maybe 3 / 4 of em..
I never subtract the fiber 1 to 1 anyway, im a skeptic at heart.
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 7: 47 pm Post subject:
is this something she sells nationally?
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 8: 47 pm Post subject:
Oligofructose is also known as FOS and inulin. Look on ingredients lists for it... it ' s in things like salad dressing and yogurts. It ' s been around since the 1980 ' s. Inulin is a fiber known as a fructan. One source of Oligofructose is inulin. The other source is sacchralose, i. e. table sugar.
It ' s being used as a fiberous sweetener here and a health supplement in Japan. It ' s not digested, but it is fermented in the large intestine. Good bacteria feed off it, so it ' s not bad for you. As long as you have good bacteria, that is. [ / icon_wink. gif] It ' s also supposed to improve calcium absorbtion by lowering the pH in the gut!
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Tue Jul 22, 2008 3: 11 pm Post subject:
Ok I have to give the review after 2 days now.. I ate em on sunday.
I have been increasing my food intake as well, so it may be that but...
I ' m still in ketosis, just not as high a level, which people remind me does not matter.
As far as the bars go, I detected no gastroinstestinal issues, and they are really, really really damn good.
I even went and bought two more and fed them to non low carbers who didn ' t know, I lied and told them it was gourmet chocolate, and they emailed me to find out where it comes from.
So i dunno, it may make people go for cravings, but yeah initially they seem ok. I picked up 4 more, gonna eat 8 this week and see if I still have weight loss.
http: / / www. lowcarbspecialties. com / is the website, you can order there, OR
OR.... and I say or because it was actually cheaper for me to do it this way, you can call them and ask them where a vendor is near you. The bars were actually cheaper for me to get from a local vendor in my town.
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 6: 27 pm Post subject: Going back on induction to test a product for people.
I found a retailer near me that sells those ChocoPerfection bars, so I bought two milk chocolate and 2 dark chocolate.
I ' m gonna eat them this week and see what happens to my ketosis.
They claim that this new Oligofructose is a fiber and that consequently they can subtract all of its grams as dietary fiber, but its a fiber sweetener and I ' m just not sure.
We ' ll see. I ' m enthusiastic to yielding myself to test for you guys... see how kind I am?
Tril
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 7: 43 pm Post subject:
I dunno... don ' t do it for ME, Kyp... anything with the word " fructose " in it is off limits as far as I ' m concerned. They ' re equating fructose and trans fats as being equally bad for you.
KypDurron
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 7: 52 pm Post subject:
I dont trust it either but its supposedly some new fancy pants fructose thats low glycemic load from chicory root.
We ' ll see.
It ' s probably better for people than the atkins bars and people are eating those here, so if i can give them a better alternative, then that would be a good thing.
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Sun Jul 20, 2008 8: 00 pm Post subject:
Very true. [ / icon_smile. gif]
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 1: 47 am Post subject:
Well... it definitely tastes damn fine. I ate half a dark chocolate one and half a milk chocolate one for 200 cals and 16 carbs, minus 14 carbs of their " fiber " which also happens to be their sweetener, this oligofructose.
We ' ll see.
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 2: 55 am Post subject:
Do the calories add up? Meaning - fiber does not fit any calories - so all 200 calories should be responsible to fat, protein and the few carbs they claim.
KypDurron
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 3: 37 am Post subject:
Yeah the calories add up but I ' ve got a buffer, I ' m just looking to see gastrointestinal effect and what kind of ketosis effect they have.
THe claim is that this oligofructuse is the fiber as WELL as the sweetener, so they ' re at last subtracting the carbs from the item thats giving the carbs, which is standard for fiber, but considering this fiber is the sweetener as well, I ' m doubtful on it.
On the OTHER hand, if it ends up not being ketosis unfriendly, tomato literally sells bags of this oligofructose stuff as a sugar replacement for cooking.
So... we will see.
Tril
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 11: 47 am Post subject:
Kyp... you might enjoy reading this article from the Journal of Nutrition:
http: / / jn. nutrition. org / cgi / content / full / 129 / 7 / 1424S
KypDurron
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 2: 53 pm Post subject:
Well reading that it sounds as if her claims are kind of accurate. It may not be dietary fiber in the sense of helping regularity very much but it would appear that you can count the fibers against the carb count... at least maybe 3 / 4 of em..
I never subtract the fiber 1 to 1 anyway, im a skeptic at heart.
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 7: 47 pm Post subject:
is this something she sells nationally?
Tril
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 8: 47 pm Post subject:
Oligofructose is also known as FOS and inulin. Look on ingredients lists for it... it ' s in things like salad dressing and yogurts. It ' s been around since the 1980 ' s. Inulin is a fiber known as a fructan. One source of Oligofructose is inulin. The other source is sacchralose, i. e. table sugar.
It ' s being used as a fiberous sweetener here and a health supplement in Japan. It ' s not digested, but it is fermented in the large intestine. Good bacteria feed off it, so it ' s not bad for you. As long as you have good bacteria, that is. [ / icon_wink. gif] It ' s also supposed to improve calcium absorbtion by lowering the pH in the gut!
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Tue Jul 22, 2008 3: 11 pm Post subject:
Ok I have to give the review after 2 days now.. I ate em on sunday.
I have been increasing my food intake as well, so it may be that but...
I ' m still in ketosis, just not as high a level, which people remind me does not matter.
As far as the bars go, I detected no gastroinstestinal issues, and they are really, really really damn good.
I even went and bought two more and fed them to non low carbers who didn ' t know, I lied and told them it was gourmet chocolate, and they emailed me to find out where it comes from.
So i dunno, it may make people go for cravings, but yeah initially they seem ok. I picked up 4 more, gonna eat 8 this week and see if I still have weight loss.
http: / / www. lowcarbspecialties. com / is the website, you can order there, OR
OR.... and I say or because it was actually cheaper for me to do it this way, you can call them and ask them where a vendor is near you. The bars were actually cheaper for me to get from a local vendor in my town.
Week one of Induction and I feel so weak
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kitty71
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Lock Jul 23, 2008 11: 26 am Post subject: Week one of Induction and I feel so weak
Hi all,
Can anyone explain why I feel so weak, Ive been on Induction for a week now and doing everything by the book. I have about 15lbs to loose. I was motile 3 miles a day to keep fit but have certainly no energy to go ambulatory now...
Can anyone help.
Thanks
Kitty71
Tril
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Coalesce Jul 23, 2008 12: 54 pm Post subject:
Yeah, that ' s normal the first week. Your body is alteration to using ketones for energy instead of glucose. You also need to start wicked enzymes necessary for lypolysis ( fat based metabolism )... which you don ' t produce when you ' re in glycolysis ( glucose based metabolism ). Give your body time to adjust and the energy should come back. Are you taking a multivitamin every day? Getting enough water to regain for the diuretic effect of a low carb diet? Eating ALL 20 of the allowed carbs, most of them from veggies?
With only 15# to lose you ' ll need to move right into the second phase, OWL, as soon as you can... don ' t stay on Induction more than two weeks. When you have 5 - 10# to lose, go to Phase 3 Pre - Maintenance. If you still feel very fatigued, skip the 2nd wk of Induction and go to OWL early. Atkins actually recommends starting in OWL for some people... those with less to lose, for example.
Good luck and I hope you feel energetic soon!
Tril
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kdlizcole
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Combine Jul 23, 2008 12: 55 pm Post subject:
wealth -
no suggestions here... but I will say that I am going throught the same thing. I am starting week two of induction today and I have noticed that my energy levels while I am at the gym have been terrible. Sunny to find some anwers just like you are!!
Katie
KypDurron
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Put together Jul 23, 2008 1: 13 pm Post subject:
You ' re going to feel a bit of an energy level decrease when you first start Atkins, but this is the part where I become unpopular.
You can push through it. Your energy is not really lower, you just don ' t have the easy energy, your body has to search for it.
How do I know this? Because I ate 1, 000 calories for the first 2 months of my Atkins while strictly following it, while maintaining a 1 & 1 / 2 hour heavy weightlifting routine, plus 2 hours of high intensity cardio workout afterwards, and 1 hour of warmup cardio at 6AM before work.
So unless there are people in here arbiter pressing 300 lbs on that sort of energy level, I can confidently say that you are largely experiencing a slight change in metabolic energy banal with hitting the mental wall.
You ' re going to FEEL tired for a couple of weeks when doing the Atkins, but it ' s the same as holding your breath. When most people give up and gasp in that breath, they had at least 50 to 60 percent of their oxygen reserve left still to use.
Long story short, you feel tired, but you aren ' t starving your body of energy. It has it, if you have fat to lose, there is energy for your body to find. A regular workout at the gym for a person burns at most 1, 000 calories, and in one pound of body fat there is an average of 3, 500 calories of energy to be used. Your body is more than capable of burning that energy to fuel your daily and exercise needs, it just needs to learn how. Push through the tired and you will not only feel your energy level come back, but you will have taken charge of your health and well being in a way you may have never done before.
kitty71
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Wed Jul 23, 2008 1: 38 pm Post subject:
Thanks for the tips, I ' ll keep going, I tried low fat diets that didnt work thats why I decided to give Atkins a try. I was just suprised to be feeling so weak when the diet promised a great boost in energy levels.
Kitty
Tril
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Wed Jul 23, 2008 1: 50 pm Post subject:
Well... I don ' t think it promises it will happen in the first week. [ / icon_wink. gif]
KypDurron
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Wed Jul 23, 2008 2: 05 pm Post subject:
Yeah to basically break it down to the absolute laymans terms.
Before you start Atkins Induction, you are burning sugar ( Glucose ) for energy from carbohydrates.
Imagine that is Fuel A.
Once you are in Ketosis from Atkins Induction, you are burning Ketones ( Fat Energy ) for energy from your stored body fat
Imagine that is Fuel B.
It takes a few days for your body to start using Fuel B, and those days are the days in which your body is burning up all of the Fuel A it has left. So your body will burn all your Fuel A ( glucose ) even if it starts getting low, before it starts manufacturing Fuel B ( Ketones ) in larger amounts. It ' s during that process that you ' re going to feel a bit tired and a bit funky. It absolutely does not mean anything is wrong, It ' s just your body going through a chemical process.
It ' s this chemical process that is the best part of atkins, as a matter of fact. It ' s by actively making your body eat your fat instead of just watching your calories that gives the extensive fat burning weight loss that gives Atkins its advantage.
Tril
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Wed Jul 23, 2008 3: 15 pm Post subject:
"... you are burning Ketones ( Fat Energy ) for energy from your stored body fat "
And you ' re burning dietary fat. Actually, during Induction, dietary fat ( the fat you ' re eating ) is very important... you need this until your body begins to metabolize body fat for energy. It will help make the transition easier, even possible... so if you ' re watching your fat intake ( limiting it in any way ) you ' re actually slowing the process down. That could also be contributing to your fatigue. Are you eating plenty of fat? When carbs are reduced to 10 % of your calories, you need to have a bigger percent from fat than you might be used to! At least 30 % - 50 %. Add EVOO to your salads, cook with it, eat the chicken skin... full fat cheeses and cream. Later on, in Pre - M and M it will be necessary to reduce your fat intake as you increase your carbs... but for now, ENJOY it!
[ / icon_smile. gif] Tril
KypDurron
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Wed Jul 23, 2008 3: 42 pm Post subject:
Yup, that means don ' t be afraid of a bit of mayo, or some heavy cream... etc etc.
Fat is not bad on Atkins, because it ' s being burnt at such a high rate.
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Lock Jul 23, 2008 11: 26 am Post subject: Week one of Induction and I feel so weak
Hi all,
Can anyone explain why I feel so weak, Ive been on Induction for a week now and doing everything by the book. I have about 15lbs to loose. I was motile 3 miles a day to keep fit but have certainly no energy to go ambulatory now...
Can anyone help.
Thanks
Kitty71
Tril
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Coalesce Jul 23, 2008 12: 54 pm Post subject:
Yeah, that ' s normal the first week. Your body is alteration to using ketones for energy instead of glucose. You also need to start wicked enzymes necessary for lypolysis ( fat based metabolism )... which you don ' t produce when you ' re in glycolysis ( glucose based metabolism ). Give your body time to adjust and the energy should come back. Are you taking a multivitamin every day? Getting enough water to regain for the diuretic effect of a low carb diet? Eating ALL 20 of the allowed carbs, most of them from veggies?
With only 15# to lose you ' ll need to move right into the second phase, OWL, as soon as you can... don ' t stay on Induction more than two weeks. When you have 5 - 10# to lose, go to Phase 3 Pre - Maintenance. If you still feel very fatigued, skip the 2nd wk of Induction and go to OWL early. Atkins actually recommends starting in OWL for some people... those with less to lose, for example.
Good luck and I hope you feel energetic soon!
Tril
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kdlizcole
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Combine Jul 23, 2008 12: 55 pm Post subject:
wealth -
no suggestions here... but I will say that I am going throught the same thing. I am starting week two of induction today and I have noticed that my energy levels while I am at the gym have been terrible. Sunny to find some anwers just like you are!!
Katie
KypDurron
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Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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Put together Jul 23, 2008 1: 13 pm Post subject:
You ' re going to feel a bit of an energy level decrease when you first start Atkins, but this is the part where I become unpopular.
You can push through it. Your energy is not really lower, you just don ' t have the easy energy, your body has to search for it.
How do I know this? Because I ate 1, 000 calories for the first 2 months of my Atkins while strictly following it, while maintaining a 1 & 1 / 2 hour heavy weightlifting routine, plus 2 hours of high intensity cardio workout afterwards, and 1 hour of warmup cardio at 6AM before work.
So unless there are people in here arbiter pressing 300 lbs on that sort of energy level, I can confidently say that you are largely experiencing a slight change in metabolic energy banal with hitting the mental wall.
You ' re going to FEEL tired for a couple of weeks when doing the Atkins, but it ' s the same as holding your breath. When most people give up and gasp in that breath, they had at least 50 to 60 percent of their oxygen reserve left still to use.
Long story short, you feel tired, but you aren ' t starving your body of energy. It has it, if you have fat to lose, there is energy for your body to find. A regular workout at the gym for a person burns at most 1, 000 calories, and in one pound of body fat there is an average of 3, 500 calories of energy to be used. Your body is more than capable of burning that energy to fuel your daily and exercise needs, it just needs to learn how. Push through the tired and you will not only feel your energy level come back, but you will have taken charge of your health and well being in a way you may have never done before.
kitty71
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Wed Jul 23, 2008 1: 38 pm Post subject:
Thanks for the tips, I ' ll keep going, I tried low fat diets that didnt work thats why I decided to give Atkins a try. I was just suprised to be feeling so weak when the diet promised a great boost in energy levels.
Kitty
Tril
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Wed Jul 23, 2008 1: 50 pm Post subject:
Well... I don ' t think it promises it will happen in the first week. [ / icon_wink. gif]
KypDurron
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Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Posts: 427
Location: Wisconsin
Wed Jul 23, 2008 2: 05 pm Post subject:
Yeah to basically break it down to the absolute laymans terms.
Before you start Atkins Induction, you are burning sugar ( Glucose ) for energy from carbohydrates.
Imagine that is Fuel A.
Once you are in Ketosis from Atkins Induction, you are burning Ketones ( Fat Energy ) for energy from your stored body fat
Imagine that is Fuel B.
It takes a few days for your body to start using Fuel B, and those days are the days in which your body is burning up all of the Fuel A it has left. So your body will burn all your Fuel A ( glucose ) even if it starts getting low, before it starts manufacturing Fuel B ( Ketones ) in larger amounts. It ' s during that process that you ' re going to feel a bit tired and a bit funky. It absolutely does not mean anything is wrong, It ' s just your body going through a chemical process.
It ' s this chemical process that is the best part of atkins, as a matter of fact. It ' s by actively making your body eat your fat instead of just watching your calories that gives the extensive fat burning weight loss that gives Atkins its advantage.
Tril
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Joined: 27 May 2008
Posts: 1325
Location: ( very ) Northeastern USA
Wed Jul 23, 2008 3: 15 pm Post subject:
"... you are burning Ketones ( Fat Energy ) for energy from your stored body fat "
And you ' re burning dietary fat. Actually, during Induction, dietary fat ( the fat you ' re eating ) is very important... you need this until your body begins to metabolize body fat for energy. It will help make the transition easier, even possible... so if you ' re watching your fat intake ( limiting it in any way ) you ' re actually slowing the process down. That could also be contributing to your fatigue. Are you eating plenty of fat? When carbs are reduced to 10 % of your calories, you need to have a bigger percent from fat than you might be used to! At least 30 % - 50 %. Add EVOO to your salads, cook with it, eat the chicken skin... full fat cheeses and cream. Later on, in Pre - M and M it will be necessary to reduce your fat intake as you increase your carbs... but for now, ENJOY it!
[ / icon_smile. gif] Tril
KypDurron
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Wed Jul 23, 2008 3: 42 pm Post subject:
Yup, that means don ' t be afraid of a bit of mayo, or some heavy cream... etc etc.
Fat is not bad on Atkins, because it ' s being burnt at such a high rate.
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