Please Advise: Mainly Fat Vs Mainly Protein
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yevgen
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Fri Mar 02, 2007 11: 36 pm    Post subject: Please Advise: Mainly Fat Vs Mainly Protein
Hi everyone,
i really want to understand in detail how my body works on atkins - this will help me finetune my diet - believe me I am very determined and never break a regime.
I am a male, 30y. O., 181cm ( 5 ' 11 " ) tall, currently 91kg ( 200lbs )
if anyone can please answer questions below I will be very thankful.
Here are some questions based on observations over 2 months:
1 ) is there anything wrong with the reasoning / regimes below?
2 ) any suggestions?
3 ) what ' s the correct explanation of the facts below?
Notes:
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a ) have been doing atkins 3 years ago - was losing very quickly.
B ) I gained a lot after I stopped smoking 8 months ago.
C ) weight loss now is not apparent
d ) all readings were taken with tanita innerscan body composition observer ( see below for available data ).
E ) thoughout the course of this experiment all necessary vitamins and fiber ( with probiotics ) have been religiously taken.
F ) pure water intake has been 3 + litres per day.
G ) ardent exercise 5 days a week in the morning
month 1
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i have been following a virtually carb - free ( <7 - 10g of any carbs ) diet of ca. 1800kcal a day for a month from 9 jan to 8 feb.
The foods have been chosen in such a way that the amount of fat ( in gramms ) in the diet was equal or exceeded the amount of proteins ( in grams ).
Findings:
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a ) ketostix indicated a very high rate of ketosis
b ) overall weight loss was meagre - about 1kg ( 2. 2lbs )
c ) fat / muscle redistribution was cogent ( loss of 4kg ( 9lbs ) of fat, gain 3kg ( 6. 5lbs ) of muscle )
at the end of the period any changes to the body composition or body weight stopped - ketostix still indicated high rate of ketosis.
My reasoning was as follows: I am burning the fat I consume instead of fat stored in my body ( still showing ketones ), so I should knops to protein only diet to keep muscle mass and burn stored fat for energy.
Here is what I did in month 2.
Month 2
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again I have been following a virtually carb - free ( <7 - 10g of any carbs ) diet of ca. 1800kcal a day for a month from 9 feb up until now.
This time a typical day ' s foods would be:
breakfast: 3 fried eggs, beef burger
lunch: 2 lambchops
dinner: 1 porkchop or 1 chicken leg
late snack: 70g of salami
findings: see titanic data below
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a ) ketostix show no or little ketosis ( could be due to all ketones released from stored fat being washed out of the body with the water intake )
b ) no fat loss, any fluctuations in weight due to muscle mass changes ( regained over the weekend when little or no exercise )
c ) perceived fitness is better ( i. E. I look more well-made - subjectively )
am I doing something wrong or just reached a plateau - if so what should I do differently. What ' s wrong with the reasoning ultra?
0 - date
1 - body mass ( kg )
2 - muscle mass ( kg )
3 - bone mass ( kg )
4 - fat mass ( kg )
5 - body fat ( % )
6 - body water ( % )
7 - visceral fat evaluating ( 1 - 45 the less the better )
8 - frame ranking ( 1 - 10 the more the sportier )
9 - metabolic age
10 - basal metabolism rating ( kcal )
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09 - feb - 07 92. 6 69. 6 3. 6 19. 4 21. 0 % 56. 0 % 7 2 34 2, 162
11 - feb - 07 92. 7 69. 5 3. 7 19. 5 21. 0 % 55. 0 % 7 3 34 2, 169
12 - feb - 07 93. 3 71. 6 3. 6 18. 1 19. 4 % 58. 0 % 6 4 31 2, 212
13 - feb - 07 92. 2 70. 9 3. 6 17. 7 19. 2 % 58. 0 % 5 5 29 2, 220
14 - feb - 07 91. 1 68. 2 3. 6 19. 3 21. 2 % 54. 0 % 7 2 36 2, 113
15 - feb - 07 91. 6 69. 2 3. 6 18. 8 20. 5 % 54. 7 % 6 2 33 2, 150
16 - feb - 07 91. 3 70. 1 3. 6 17. 6 19. 3 % 55. 8 % 6 5 29 2, 175
17 - feb - 07
18 - feb - 07
19 - feb - 07 91. 2 69. 4 3. 6 18. 2 20. 0 % 55. 2 % 6 2 31 2, 154
20 - feb - 07 91. 3 69. 9 3. 6 17. 8 19. 5 % 55. 6 % 6 5 30 2, 170
21 - feb - 07 92. 0 70. 5 3. 7 17. 8 19. 4 % 55. 7 % 6 6 29 2, 189
22 - feb - 07 92. 4 70. 5 3. 7 18. 2 19. 7 % 55. 6 % 6 6 30 2, 191
23 - feb - 07 92. 9 71. 1 3. 6 18. 2 19. 6 % 55. 6 % 6 6 30 2, 208
24 - feb - 07 92. 9 71. 9 3. 7 17. 3 18. 6 % 56. 5 % 6 6 27 2, 232
25 - feb - 07
26 - feb - 07 91. 7 69. 9 3. 6 18. 2 19. 8 % 55. 4 % 6 5 31 2, 170
27 - feb - 07 90. 6 69. 1 3. 6 17. 9 19. 8 % 55. 3 % 6 5 31 2, 143
28 - feb - 07 89. 9 68. 4 3. 6 17. 9 19. 9 % 55. 0 % 6 5 31 2, 123
01 - mar - 07 90. 4 69. 0 3. 6 17. 8 19. 7 % 55. 4 % 6 5 31 2, 141
Bliss Pirate
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Tue Mar 06, 2007 5: 07 am    Post subject:
I ' m going to have to think and reread your post when I have more time.
My first thought is that when you were on the more fat containing diet that you were seeing successful fat loss with weight loss masked by muscle gain.
That what you are encountering during the 2nd month is a combo of a less successful menu combined with a stall - often somewhere during the 4 or 5th week a stall of 1 - 3 weeks sets in... I also wonder, without much if any vegi ' s if you aren ' t a bit constipated - that masking some weight loss.
So I ' m not sure your sampling window is long enough ( 1mo on each diet )
I do think you should aim for more vegi ' s and seek to hit closer to the Atkins level of 20g net carbs ( not counting fiber ) a day. With your exercise, this will make you feel better and not slow weight loss. In tat some carbs are needed, it may be the single thing that jump starts your loss.
Ok
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Joined: 28 Feb 2007
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Thu Mar 15, 2007 11: 44 pm    Post subject:
One of the benefits of dieting is the insight new eating habits or styles reveal about the body.
Above all else I would say forgo the salami at the end of the day, I could lose over a kilo a day at times ( not counting hair loss, I since moved on from zealous induction phase type diets.. not worth the consequences ) but everything will shudder and stall if I consumed processed foods, particularly fatty processed foods.
The other point is that foods can be a bit like alchemy - for whatever reason regardless of differences in calories and p / c / f breakdown, some foods just work much better than others, all other things being equal.
One magic food is tuna, tuna in natural springwater or brine turns up the metabolism with no means of adding weight. Replacing your last meal or meal and 2 snacks of the day with tuna will - - in my experience - - always generate results.
Are you sure you gained 3 + kilograms of muscle in a month? Ive been looking for a definitive resource on muscle development, in my limited readings one account claimed that only about 4 kilograms of muscle can be developed in a six month period from ongoing intensive workouts. I would like to think the source is mistaken.10 октября 2008 г.